Pregame: Illinois vs Colgate, Sunday, December 17th, 12:00pm CT, BTN

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pruman91 said:
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We come out Aquafresh from our layoff and knock the plaque off our game and brush them to the sidelines.......rinse and repeat........

We really really will....................
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RML said:
When he's off the ball, I would just like it if he caught the pass AT the 3 point line, instead of five feet behind it. So he could take a catch and shoot 3 FROM THE LINE. But it seems to me like he's always catching the pass five feet off the line. I suppose that's where he's supposed to be, but it bugs me.
And get off my lawn, too.
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I agree very few people have the range of Stephen Curry and definitely nobody on the Illini.

Brad should tell players they can shoot 3's if they are on the line but otherwise no.
 
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NarrowJ

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ptgrd23 said:
I agree very few people have the range of Stephen Curry and definitely nobody on the Illini.

Brad should tell players they can shoot 3's if they are on the line but otherwise no.
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I'm not sure using Steph Curry as a barometer is feasible/reasonable here. Just seems a bit hyperbolic to me. We are talking about college players, whereas 99% percent of them will never play in the NBA, let alone become the greatest outside shooter ever.

Anyway, to depart from that digression and to the main point here... the shot 3 feet behind the line is one that is coming to be accepted more and more in the college game. I couldn't tell you how much closer the line is than the NBA line nowadays, but as I watch CBB on television as a nightly/daily indulgence, I can tell you that I see players shooting from there constantly and nary a gripe from commentators as it happens. In fact, go back to our FAU game, and Davis had raised up and buried a 3 from well beyond the 3 point line (at least 3 feet behind it) and was praised for the shot selection in the subsequent commentary.

All that being said, I wasn't able to find any extremely contemporary data out there via a simple Google search of shot percentages by distance. Would definitely be interested in seeing that, if anyone knows if/where that might exist.
 
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cjw1901 said:
Right, lots of good comments on Coleman's 3pt shooting here. A quick summary on last season for CH on 3pt shooting is 28%. The same stat for this season is 21%. So, yeah, a little off, so far, this season, but heading for another underwhelming season-long season average which is really the best low-noise estimate we have each season for 3pt shooting.

But notice what this stat doesn't show (unless you run the numbers, or even take the stats, yourself). It doesn't show home vs away, most guys shoot a better at home, so expect that from CH too. It also doesn't show wide-open 3 (say nobody in 5' at the time of the release) vs contested 3 (at least one defender inside that distance), yet about everybody including CH shoots better when wide open. It doesn't show from-how-far. Frustratingly, CH often shoots from about 4' beyond the 20'9" 3-pt line. So, he makes his 3s about 19% longer. (Coleman, don't get to 100% longer or you're at half court, since 5.25+20.75+20.75=46.75~=47=94/2, where the center of the basket to the baseline is 5.25 ft.) Of course, CH shoots way better when he is wide open, and he moves close to the 3pt line.

Underwood simply calls this "good shots", which I don't mind, just to keep it simple. But Underwood and his assistants should speak up when CH backs off the 3pt line and launches from 25'. Yeah, that isn't a "good shot" anymore, even if CH is open. Instead, CH should move in, expect fewer open looks, and do more 3pt fakes and drives. I think he could shoot close to 33% on this season (which would be the best in his career), if he only takes wide-open 3s near the line. Obviously, this does amount to fewer shots, so he's going to have to drive more when it's not there, or dish to his better-shooting teammates (all scholarship players on the IL roster, since CH shoots just 32% from the field on the season right now).
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Your post got me curious so I ran the numbers.

CH 3pt shots from last year.
Neutral 5/24 21%
Away 11/39 28%
Home 21/70 30%

So yea he did shoot better at home. But looking closely at the numbers, of the 17 home games, in 15 of those he shot 10/53 18%.

2 games he shot lights out at 11/17. One was the first game of the season (5/8) and the other was a conference game with Wisconsin (6/9).
Definitely outliers. 2 out of 33 games.
 
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RichardKeenesCousin

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chudaman said:
As numbers nerd I was happy to see #3 updated from the incorrect 9/10 to the correct amount of 4 out of 5.
However, while even a nerd such as I will admit this thread is as exciting as practicing good dental hygiene, it certainly beats the teeth pulling experience currently going on in the basketball forum with the CoHawk turnover topic going on ad nauseum.
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RichardKeenesCousin

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NarrowJ said:
I'm not sure using Steph Curry as a barometer is feasible/reasonable here. Just seems a bit hyperbolic to me. We are talking about college players, whereas 99% percent of them will never play in the NBA, let alone become the greatest outside shooter ever.

Anyway, to depart from that digression and to the main point here... the shot 3 feet behind the line is one that is coming to be accepted more and more in the college game. I couldn't tell you how much closer the line is than the NBA line nowadays, but as I watch CBB on television as a nightly/daily indulgence, I can tell you that I see players shooting from there constantly and nary a gripe from commentators as it happens. In fact, go back to our FAU game, and Davis had raised up and buried a 3 from well beyond the 3 point line (at least 3 feet behind it) and was praised for the shot selection in the subsequent commentary.

All that being said, I wasn't able to find any extremely contemporary data out there via a simple Google search of shot percentages by distance. Would definitely be interested in seeing that, if anyone knows if/where that might exist.
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I am okay with that shot off a pass vs. shooting off the dribble or a step back (at or near the 3 point line) if I get to choose. That being said, no one asks me for that opinion and I'm sure plenty would disagree with me.
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It's not showing up on my program guide. Anyone else seeing the Big show on the schedule?
 
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