But you didn't prove me wrong by misinterpreting the graphic. It's the passing score that matters, not the passing minute. The whole point is to show you want to be first to reach each threshold. You're using a very wrong assumption that a team can make up the score at any time.
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I think you’re misinterpreting the graphic, and I never made this assumption that this strawman reaponse mentions.
The passing minute absolutely matters. Why do you think your 6 point lead example only wins 62% of the time at the beginning of the game and 94% near the end of the game as has been pointed out earlier by two different people?
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Has anyone ever considered if Mirk should be our starting SG? I mean he’s taller than Goode, can handle the ball, and he does have a decent outside shot.
Personally I would even advocate calling him “Magiic” Mirkovic and have him be our starting PG. However we then move him to Center when we make the National Championship game.
(What is the sarcastic marker?)
Personally I would even advocate calling him “Magiic” Mirkovic and have him be our starting PG. However we then move him to Center when we make the National Championship game.
(What is the sarcastic marker?)
Because time is an independent variable highly correlated with the first to score variable because higher scores are only achievable as time passes. When you include it, the dynamic of the question changes. The point of the analysis isn't to ask who's winning at what time and by how much, but who reached what score first and by how much. That's why there's analytics like Evan Miya's first to 69 or Lawler's Law.
You’re getting too deep here and it’s far simpler than you’re trying to make it
You arent going to undo something that multiple generations of professional coaches have been decidedly in favor of with a single graphic that basically shows that it’s easier to win if you have more points
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Probably some bias here as my son was a very good sixth man when he played basketball, but I’ve always been more concerned with who finishes a game over who starts it.
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Brad clearly feels the same way.
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Is Dra at UNLV this year?
Minutes is more important than the starting lineup tbh, but I kind of expect Brad to start the twin towers even if they only play together briefly before Mirkovic comes in.
If I was a betting man I'd say Petrovic, Boswell, Stojakovic, Zvonimir, and Tomislav is the starting lineup once Petrovic has been cleared and is up to speed(has Petrovic been cleared to play?). Then your core bench guys would be Mirkovic, Wagler, and Humrichous that would make up your 8 guys that typically play minutes with Lee and Davis being the 9th and 10th guys and Jaksty getting blowout minutes.
If Ty gets healthy and returns he slides into the top 8 and it wouldn't surprise me if he started at the 4. Also, if Ty is legitimately going to return this year I wonder if we see a Jake Davis last minute redshirt because minutes are going to be spare with Humrichous back, Wagler's emergence as a staff favorite, and Ty giving them another wing.
I have to say this just as we were down a couple of players they were missing there 2 top players as well.i dont think Wagner had a bad game but im curious to see how the lineups shake up when were fully healthy.it makes me nervous throwing so much praise who wasn't a top player coming out of high-school I mean there's always over achievers that go rated low as I hope he will.but im just getting worried for a young guy that 1 still has to physically develop to the college game and still find his place on a talented and older roster.im not saying he cant have a great season but it seems like every preseason there's players that dont live up to expectations that get bashed throughout the season case in point BH last season people talk8ng about him being a draft pick but after watching him for a full season if he even sniffs the NBA ill be amazed and thats not to knock BH its just to say lets see how things go as our roster gets used to playing together and also when we get completely healthy and see how things shake out
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Not trying to argue with you or be a doubter but where did Brad say Jake would get more minutes?I must of missed it
Agreed. And I sure hope that happens.
Good question. I know I read it but I can’t remember when or where. I will do some searching.
Well, I have been looking most of the morning, and I cannot find the quote where BU actually says the words, “more minutes”. But I did find some other evidence that implies that that will be the case. Here are a few things I found:
Glenn Kinley
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Brad Underwood on Jake Davis: "Be hard-pressed to find a better shooter in the Big Ten than him."
Says his Noah (shooting system) numbers are in the 99th percentile compared to NBA guys.
"Jake is an elite shooter, I can see him having a tremendous role... He's going to play a lot."
Jake Davis Scouting Report: Illinois Basketball 2025-2026
Davis had a solid first season at Illinois, but he'll have a chance to take a giant step forward in 2025-2026
Jackson Langendorf | Oct 16, 2025
Jake Davis Scouting Report: Illinois Basketball 2025-2026
Davis had a solid first season at Illinois, but he'll have a chance to take a giant step forward in 2025-2026
www.si.com
“You’d be hard-pressed to find a better shooter in the Big Ten than him,” Illinois coach Brad Underwood said of Davis. “Jake is an elite shooter. I can see him having a tremendous role as we create space. He’s much better. He’s leaner. He’s better at putting the ball on the deck than he was a year ago. He’s more competitive defensively than he was a year ago. But he does everything that I ask. He’s going to play a lot.”
So, two instances of “play a lot”. Although I think Langendorf seems to be just echoing Kinley. Maybe I extrapolated that to mean more minutes, but I really think somewhere BU actually said, “more minutes”. I will still look. Anyway, I kind of threw the dice and just did an AI search, which came back thusly:
Jake Davis is expected to see increased playing time in the 2025-2026 season due to changes in the Illinois basketball roster, as he has shown potential as a reliable shooter and hustle player. His role may evolve as he continues to develop his skills and adapt to the team's needs.
Expected Increase in Playing Time: Jake Davis is anticipated to receive more minutes in the upcoming season. Last year, he averaged about 9.5 minutes per game, but with changes in the roster, he is likely to see an increase. The departure of some players has opened up opportunities for him to contribute more significantly.
Coaching Confidence: Illinois coach Brad Underwood has praised Davis as one of the best shooters in the Big Ten, indicating that he will have a significant role in the team's offensive strategy.
And, of course, AI is never wrong /s
Edit: I did another AI search using different words and came up with this, which actually said “increased minutes”.
Brad Underwood has indicated that Jake Davis is expected to play a significant role this season, highlighting his improvement and potential as a shooter. Davis's increased minutes are anticipated due to his solid performance and the need for depth on the team.
Increased Playing Time: Brad Underwood, the head coach of the Illinois Fighting Illini, has indicated that Jake Davis will receive more minutes in the upcoming season.
Again, sorry, I couldn’t find the actual BU quote
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Shrink everything Brad says. He's the king of hyperbole and positivity.Well, I have been looking most of the morning, and I cannot find the quote where BU actually says the words, “more minutes”. But I did find some other evidence that implies that that will be the case. Here are a few things I found:
Glenn Kinley
@glenn_kinley
Brad Underwood on Jake Davis: "Be hard-pressed to find a better shooter in the Big Ten than him."
Says his Noah (shooting system) numbers are in the 99th percentile compared to NBA guys.
"Jake is an elite shooter, I can see him having a tremendous role... He's going to play a lot."
Jake Davis Scouting Report: Illinois Basketball 2025-2026
Davis had a solid first season at Illinois, but he'll have a chance to take a giant step forward in 2025-2026
Jackson Langendorf | Oct 16, 2025
Jake Davis Scouting Report: Illinois Basketball 2025-2026
Davis had a solid first season at Illinois, but he'll have a chance to take a giant step forward in 2025-2026
“You’d be hard-pressed to find a better shooter in the Big Ten than him,” Illinois coach Brad Underwood said of Davis. “Jake is an elite shooter. I can see him having a tremendous role as we create space. He’s much better. He’s leaner. He’s better at putting the ball on the deck than he was a year ago. He’s more competitive defensively than he was a year ago. But he does everything that I ask. He’s going to play a lot.”
So, two instances of “play a lot”. Although I think Langendorf seems to be just echoing Kinley. Maybe I extrapolated that to mean more minutes, but I really think somewhere BU actually said, “more minutes”. I will still look. Anyway, I kind of threw the dice and just did an AI search, which came back thusly:
Jake Davis is expected to see increased playing time in the 2025-2026 season due to changes in the Illinois basketball roster, as he has shown potential as a reliable shooter and hustle player. His role may evolve as he continues to develop his skills and adapt to the team's needs.
Expected Increase in Playing Time: Jake Davis is anticipated to receive more minutes in the upcoming season. Last year, he averaged about 9.5 minutes per game, but with changes in the roster, he is likely to see an increase. The departure of some players has opened up opportunities for him to contribute more significantly.
Coaching Confidence: Illinois coach Brad Underwood has praised Davis as one of the best shooters in the Big Ten, indicating that he will have a significant role in the team's offensive strategy.
And, of course, AI is never wrong /s
Edit: I did another AI search using different words and came up with this, which actually said “increased minutes”.
Brad Underwood has indicated that Jake Davis is expected to play a significant role this season, highlighting his improvement and potential as a shooter. Davis's increased minutes are anticipated due to his solid performance and the need for depth on the team.
Increased Playing Time: Brad Underwood, the head coach of the Illinois Fighting Illini, has indicated that Jake Davis will receive more minutes in the upcoming season.
Again, sorry, I couldn’t find the actual BU quote
If Brad doesn't say a player is "elite" at something, he must really suck.
Lee will get playing time as well. We need to go 9 deep.
As well as Jake and I think Jake will get more minutes than Lee, at least consistently. So that is 10 deep. Doesn’t really seem possible, does it?
I think it might be more like 9. But first, I guess I would need to understand the definition of meaningful minutes. Is it 15 or 20 or more? I guess the 8 you are referring to are KB, MP, TI, BH, AS, DM, ZI, and KW. Jake played just under 10 minutes a game last year, and BU said of Jake at Media Days, "Jake is an elite shooter, I can see him having a tremendous role... He's going to play a lot.” Now that could be just coachspeak, as has been pointed out to me by others, but I don’t know. It sounds to me that BU will play him more, so maybe 15 minutes a game? But maybe he just hopes to be able to play him more. But are those meaningful minutes? I don’t know. If not, then never mind. I withdraw my speculation. I guess we just have to wait and see.
Yea..as we get into mid January usually there are 7-8 guys that have made the case to deserve a major of PT…not to say that the other guys won’t get meaningful minutes (maybe a better term would be consistent minutes), cause you never know about illness, injuries, etc that could change the rotation …time will tell, but it seems that by February we usually have 7-8 guys getting more minutes than they were getting in mid December
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