Pregame: Illinois vs Mississippi State, Monday, January 2nd, 11:00am CT, ESPN2

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ChiefGritty
IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
I've never had issues with Rod Gilmore. Not sure what your deal is with him that you're against him so much.
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Yeah of all the announcers to pick. He's about the most bland and harmless one I could think of.

Anthony Herron seems to be getting more BTN color man work these days, and J Leman seems to be getting less. That's a huge downgrade. Matt Millen is ridiculous but in a sort of charming way.
 
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand
ChiefGritty said:
Anthony Herron seems to be getting more BTN color man work these days, and J Leman seems to be getting less. That's a huge downgrade. Matt Millen is ridiculous but in a sort of charming way.
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Herron is really good. I've enjoyed him, especially since he does hits on the Score. Leman is probably more busy doing dumb ads for Dick Van Dyke Appliance World. Nothing against J, because I do like him, but Herron is better in analyst role than him.
 
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ChiefGritty
IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
Herron is really good. I've enjoyed him, especially since he does hits on the Score. Leman is probably more busy doing dumb ads for Dick Van Dyke Appliance World. Nothing against J, because I do like him, but Herron is better in analyst role than him.
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I humbly disagree, I feel like Herron is the perfect example of the young enthusiastic guy who is too much into being young and enthusiastic and not enough into analyzing the actual game.

They're trying to be Tony Romo, but Tony Romo is excitable and fan-like in a very drilled-down into the game way. J isn't as good as Romo, but I think he takes a similar perspective.

And then you combine Herron with Lisa Byington who struggles a lot to keep up with presenting what's going on and you end up with a telecast only loosely associated with the football game that's going on. Those two had some real stinkers this year.

Football is hard now, and it gets tougher and tougher to broadcast as the rules and their enforcement gets more arcane. But the north star always has to be explaining what's going on and making the action as legible as quickly as possible.

I really do feel like the broadcast of a football game, college or pro, becomes a worse product every year. HD was a great leap forward, but now we're going backwards.
 
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cuillini
ChiefGritty said:
I humbly disagree, I feel like Herron is the perfect example of the young enthusiastic guy who is too much into being young and enthusiastic and not enough into analyzing the actual game.

They're trying to be Tony Romo, but Tony Romo is excitable and fan-like in a very drilled-down into the game way. J isn't as good as Romo, but I think he takes a similar perspective.

And then you combine Herron with Lisa Byington who struggles a lot to keep up with presenting what's going on and you end up with a telecast only loosely associated with the football game that's going on. Those two had some real stinkers this year.

Football is hard now, and it gets tougher and tougher to broadcast as the rules and their enforcement gets more arcane. But the north star always has to be explaining what's going on and making the action as legible as quickly as possible.

I really do feel like the broadcast of a football game, college or pro, becomes a worse product every year. HD was a great leap forward, but now we're going backwards.
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I have to say, I've listened to Herron quite a bit on Sirius/XM and have always enjoyed his perspective, despite the fact he's an Iowa alum.
 
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Illini2010-11
ChiefGritty said:
I humbly disagree, I feel like Herron is the perfect example of the young enthusiastic guy who is too much into being young and enthusiastic and not enough into analyzing the actual game.

They're trying to be Tony Romo, but Tony Romo is excitable and fan-like in a very drilled-down into the game way. J isn't as good as Romo, but I think he takes a similar perspective.

And then you combine Herron with Lisa Byington who struggles a lot to keep up with presenting what's going on and you end up with a telecast only loosely associated with the football game that's going on. Those two had some real stinkers this year.

Football is hard now, and it gets tougher and tougher to broadcast as the rules and their enforcement gets more arcane. But the north star always has to be explaining what's going on and making the action as legible as quickly as possible.

I really do feel like the broadcast of a football game, college or pro, becomes a worse product every year. HD was a great leap forward, but now we're going backwards.
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This is spot on. There were countless times this bowl season where the color analysts for ESPN seemed to not know the rules/recent changes in rules for plays they were calling. Or I would spot something from their broadcast and immediately know what the review booth/refs were discussing, and the broadcasters were completely confused or took a few minutes to get on track.

The broadcasters have a tough job as it is, and the quick pace of games can easily cause confusion, which leaks into a downgrade in the broadcast quality. I would personally love to have a ref analyst on the call for each big game, instead of having one who gets brought in after questioned by the broadcaster, but of course that would cost the network more money, so that will never happen regularly. Also it is quite evident that the play-by-play announcers are more up-to-date with rule changes than color analysts. I think this is a training issue or a lack of professional approach from the color analysts, as it is clear that play-by-play announcers take their job much more seriously in their preparation for games. I think this is an industry-wide issue that crosses over sports.
 
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ChiefGritty
Illini2010-11 said:
This is spot on. There were countless times this bowl season where the color analysts for ESPN seemed to not know the rules/recent changes in rules for plays they were calling. Or I would spot something from their broadcast and immediately know what the review booth/refs were discussing, and the broadcasters were completely confused or took a few minutes to get on track.

The broadcasters have a tough job as it is, and the quick pace of games can easily cause confusion, which leaks into a downgrade in the broadcast quality. I would personally love to have a ref analyst on the call for each big game, instead of having one who gets brought in after questioned by the broadcaster, but of course that would cost the network more money, so that will never happen regularly. Also it is quite evident that the play-by-play announcers are more up-to-date with rule changes than color analysts. I think this is a training issue or a lack of professional approach from the color analysts, as it is clear that play-by-play announcers take their job much more seriously in their preparation for games. I think this is an industry-wide issue that crosses over sports.
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This might be a terrible idea, but I think it's worth trying to see what happens: what if a Mike Perreira or Dean Blandino just did the color man job?

It says very, very bad things about the sport that it takes a long time professional referee to explain what the heck is going on, but we are where we are and some of those guys are relatively entertaining TV presences in their own right.
 
#340      
BZuppke
I predict MSU rides an early waive of emotion to get a lead on us. We close the gap before the half and then beat them into submission in the second half pounding Josh and Love at them and we win by 10 plus.

Miss State fans cry most of the fourth quarter.
 
#347      
IlliniFaninHoosierLand
DeonThomas said:
I would speculate "NO CHANCE".
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