Pregame: Illinois vs Tennessee, Tuesday, December 30th, 4:30pm CT, ESPN

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Is this years Tn team better than last year's South Carolina team? I would assume Tn will have some starter options out for the game. Will be getting tickets this week. Nashville weather will not be Orlando weather. Should be a good crowd.
 
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Tough draw for us IMO. They play hyper-fast. QB is back up at the line before the camera guy can even react. Heupel is elite at scripting early drives. Vols start hot but there's a major tendency for them to just...fade. I've been roped into tons of Vols games over the past few years and it's crazy how well UT is operating in early quarters to all-of-a-sudden clunking their way through drives. Defense is nothing to write home about. We come to play on D and we have a shot
 
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Tough draw for us IMO. They play hyper-fast. QB is back up at the line before the camera guy can even react. Heupel is elite at scripting early drives. Vols start hot but there's a major tendency for them to just...fade. I've been roped into tons of Vols games over the past few years and it's crazy how well UT is operating in early quarters to all-of-a-sudden clunking their way through drives. Defense is nothing to write home about. We come to play on D and we have a shot
It'll be interesting to see the defensive approach in this one. If we lie back and play passive, it'll be Washington all over again. Hopefully, the offense can put up 30+ points at a minimum. I'd love to pull out a win, but as long as we don't lay an egg and keep things close, it should be a great game.
 
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Is this years Tn team better than last year's South Carolina team? I would assume Tn will have some starter options out for the game. Will be getting tickets this week. Nashville weather will not be Orlando weather. Should be a good crowd.
Using FPI, heading into the Citrus Bowl last year:

South Carolina: 14
Illinois: 44

Heading into the Music City Bowl this year:

Tennessee: 19
Illinois: 31

So Tennessee’s slightly worse and we’re slightly better.
 
#85      
Opt outs for both sides will determine a lot. Players have to make the decision for themselves.

I think bowl games need to figure out a way to pay and insure the players since they invest so much money.
The 'insure' part is the killer. Most college football players want to play in and win higher end bowl games, but with potential millions hanging in the balance, it just doesn't make sense, especially when there's additional incentive to spend that time training for the combine to increase your measurables which can also be worth millions more than playing in the bowl game. It's honestly a sucky situation where fans don't get what they want and players need to sacrifice their own short term desires for a much better long-term financial security.

From a risk standpoint, it's an incredibly poor choice to play in a bowl game if you are fairly certain to be drafted. So when a player does decide to take that risk, to play that final game for their team and school at the sake of their own future, that's special. It really is. I have a feeling Luke might be one of those guys, despite him knowing it's not the smart thing to do. But even if he opts out, I applaud all he's done for the program and the joy he's given us over these part years.

And if Luke does play, we do not lose this game for him. You send him out a winner and may he have a Heisman worthy performance while doing it.
 
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The 'insure' part is the killer. Most college football players want to play in and win higher end bowl games, but with potential millions hanging in the balance, it just doesn't make sense, especially when there's additional incentive to spend that time training for the combine to increase your measurables which can also be worth millions more than playing in the bowl game. It's honestly a sucky situation where fans don't get what they want and players need to sacrifice their own short term desires for a much better long-term financial security.

From a risk standpoint, it's an incredibly poor choice to play in a bowl game if you are fairly certain to be drafted. So when a player does decide to take that risk, to play that final game for their team and school at the sake of their own future, that's special. It really is. I have a feeling Luke might be one of those guys, despite him knowing it's not the smart thing to do. But even if he opts out, I applaud all he's done for the program and the joy he's given us over these part years.

And if Luke does play, we do not lose this game for him. You send him out a winner and may he have a Heisman worthy performance while doing it.
With Luke, the interesting factor is that Tennessee is the team that offered him $2 million before the season. I don’t know if that’s extra incentive to play in the game but it’s certainly a talking point for us and the media.
 
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The 'insure' part is the killer. Most college football players want to play in and win higher end bowl games, but with potential millions hanging in the balance, it just doesn't make sense, especially when there's additional incentive to spend that time training for the combine to increase your measurables which can also be worth millions more than playing in the bowl game. It's honestly a sucky situation where fans don't get what they want and players need to sacrifice their own short term desires for a much better long-term financial security.

From a risk standpoint, it's an incredibly poor choice to play in a bowl game if you are fairly certain to be drafted. So when a player does decide to take that risk, to play that final game for their team and school at the sake of their own future, that's special. It really is. I have a feeling Luke might be one of those guys, despite him knowing it's not the smart thing to do. But even if he opts out, I applaud all he's done for the program and the joy he's given us over these part years.

And if Luke does play, we do not lose this game for him. You send him out a winner and may he have a Heisman worthy performance while doing it.
This all makes 100 percent sense. But why opt out only for the bowl game? It seems like a snowy game vs. Northwestern would be a good one to skip as well, from a risk/reward standpoint.
 
#88      
This all makes 100 percent sense. But why opt out only for the bowl game? It seems like a snowy game vs. Northwestern would be a good one to skip as well, from a risk/reward standpoint.
This has always been my contention. I mean, why wouldn’t Purdue players, for example, opt out after the 7th loss with no hopes of even making a bowl game? Some would say “that’s quitting on your team,” and I’d agree. But is it any less of a quit than opting out of the final game your teammates have worked so hard to earn?
 
#89      
This all makes 100 percent sense. But why opt out only for the bowl game? It seems like a snowy game vs. Northwestern would be a good one to skip as well, from a risk/reward standpoint.
I don't disagree with you. And my gut feel is that if someone prominent starts sitting out say once they're realistically out of playoff contention that will likely become the new norm. I think the only thing standing in the way of that right now is fear the NFL might look at that as quitting on your team and teammates (and rightfully so in my opinion). I don't see any of this as a good thing overall from anyone's standpoint, but I also don't see a real practical way around it.

Less seriously, I guess each bowl game could have some sort of unique cash prize money pit or something for just the winner to split amongst themselves. And I'm not talking a check, I'm talking actual cash money in like a swimming pool or shooting out of the pop-tart toaster type of thing for the winners to make cash angels in. Maybe that'd work.
 
#90      
This has always been my contention. I mean, why wouldn’t Purdue players, for example, opt out after the 7th loss with no hopes of even making a bowl game? Some would say “that’s quitting on your team,” and I’d agree. But is it any less of a quit than opting out of the final game your teammates have worked so hard to earn?
I see you beat me to the punch. But yeah, I agree. Gut feel is it'll eventually happen and become the norm which would be awful for college sports. Fear of the NFL coaches thinking they're not a team player and dropping them on their boards would be the only thing in the way of this happening as NIL is not technically *cough* pay to play or associated with the university
 
#91      
I see you beat me to the punch. But yeah, I agree. Gut feel is it'll eventually happen and become the norm which would be awful for college sports. Fear of the NFL coaches thinking they're not a team player and dropping them on their boards would be the only thing in the way of this happening as NIL is not technically *cough* pay to play or associated with the university
Did you see DeQuan Finn just shut it down for the season with three weeks left to play? Miami (OH) starting QB left the team with 5 wins and a chance at the conference title still on the table.

Fortunately for them, they found a QB in the second of those three weeks and got to the MAC title game without Finn. That shocked me though. I never saw him as an NFL prospect, and that is supposedly why he ended his season. Wasn't injured or anything.
 
#93      
Tennesee fires defensive coordinator.


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#94      
I’ll say the same thing about Luke as I did about Pat Bryant this time last year. I’d love to see him play, but he has 100% earned the right to make the decision that he feels is in his best long-term interest.

As long as he makes the decision in sufficient time for the team to plan around the decision, I’m personally supporting him no matter what. It’s the late decisions and the “in-game decisions” that irk me. If you commit to play, then be all in.
 
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#96      
I see you beat me to the punch. But yeah, I agree. Gut feel is it'll eventually happen and become the norm which would be awful for college sports. Fear of the NFL coaches thinking they're not a team player and dropping them on their boards would be the only thing in the way of this happening as NIL is not technically *cough* pay to play or associated with the university
NFL coaches do not think that. Remember the whole nonsense about Cam Ward taking himself out after breaking a record? He was the #1 pick. Nick Emmanwori quit our bowl game at halftime and went 35th overall and is currently one of the best rookies in the league.
 
#97      
NFL coaches do not think that. Remember the whole nonsense about Cam Ward taking himself out after breaking a record? He was the #1 pick. Nick Emmanwori quit our bowl game at halftime and went 35th overall and is currently one of the best rookies in the league.
Bowl games are different than shutting yourself down in the regular season to prep for the draft. That said, once 1st round talent starts doing it and everyone sees their stock isn't affected Ted, it'll become common and to your point, it likely won't affect anything.
 
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This has always been my contention. I mean, why wouldn’t Purdue players, for example, opt out after the 7th loss with no hopes of even making a bowl game? Some would say “that’s quitting on your team,” and I’d agree. But is it any less of a quit than opting out of the final game your teammates have worked so hard to earn?
Purdue players wouldn't opt out after week 7 because none of them are going to the NFL anyway !
 
#100      
Tennesee fires defensive coordinator.
Both Tenn and Ill need to get rid of their DC if they want to be serious football teams....Tennessee pulled the plug first and for that reason I have more confidence that they will win this game.
 
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