Pregame: Illinois vs VCU, Saturday, March 21st, 6:50pm CT, CBS

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I mean I don't think we blamed Shaka even in the moment.

#SHAKAWATCH, man, that's an all-time peak Illini message board saga.

Whether you'd go back and hire Shaka in 2012 if you could is a pretty interesting question really.
I think he'd have been successful at least compared to Gross (albeit a low bar, I know). He was hot and, I do think he would have been able to recruit guys to fit his system. If I remember correctly, he was worried about dealing with what was the Chicago recruiting cesspool. He waited to long to move on from VCU and by the time he got to Texas he was old news.
 
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Vegas: Ilini -10.5
KenPom: Illini 81% (83-74)
Torvik: Illini 83% (84-73)
EvanMiya: Illini -10.1
Haslametrics: Illini -12.64 (82.56-69.92)
ESPN: Illini 82.4%
TeamRanking.com: 80.7%

All well and good, but for tournament games I just channel Al Davis...
 
#129      
I mean I don't think we blamed Shaka even in the moment.

#SHAKAWATCH, man, that's an all-time peak Illini message board saga.

Whether you'd go back and hire Shaka in 2012 if you could is a pretty interesting question really.
Was that part of the same cycle that involved a detailed analysis of Brad Stevens going fishing and what it meant for our chances to land him?
 
#130      
Was that part of the same cycle that involved a detailed analysis of Brad Stevens going fishing and what it meant for our chances to land him?
And he was supposed to be in a plane heading to Champaign but was in fact out doing sidewalk chalk with his kids?

It was epic, man.

To that VCU poster's point, correct, Illini fans are in fact a bucket of howling lunatics. We rock.
 
#131      
I mean I don't think we blamed Shaka even in the moment.

#SHAKAWATCH, man, that's an all-time peak Illini message board saga.

Whether you'd go back and hire Shaka in 2012 if you could is a pretty interesting question really.
Yeah…no. It was just kinda okay, next. If I remember correctly?

But I think the lesson learned there is that going for the hot-in-the tourney, mid-major coach (with a single year performance/limited sample size ) can very often not be the way to go.

I think you’re just as likely/perhaps more so to find success with a young-ish assistant…from somewhere decent.

The in-house at all cost, Carolina thing doesn’ t make alot of sense to me tho. 😂
I just think it CAN be pretty beneficial to resist that “splash hire” urge.
 
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#132      
Absolutely re: Shaka. We got the right guy with Brad. Although, I'm dying to know what they don't like about him, unless it's as simple as him working the refs to get one of his teams a call. Seems to me that's just part of the game. Annoying in the moment, but understandable in the long run.

Same, but I wonder how much of that has to do with location. I feel like being a bigger school with a bigger alumni base, plus with plenty of folks leaving Illinois for other states, likely leads to more of us moving into VCU "territory" than vice versa. But, that's just a shot in the dark on my part.
I live in Virginia. VCU has a BIG following. They do travel well. They feel like they belong and most folks I know even (N.C) alumni felt that VCU would beat them. I work with Kevin Madden who played at N.C. with M.J. and I think he may have felt that way also. Sure VCU is an underdog but they are totally capable of winning this game. Do I think they will. No but I have been wrong before. Go Illini!
 
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Reflections from someone who watches a lot of VCU games:

Notwithstanding how great SLU looked last night, VCU has been the best A-10 team over the second half of the season. As noted, this isn't a '24 Duquesne team that was essentially .500 in the league then went on a run during the conference tournament. Only loss in the last two months was at SLU, where they came out like a house afire, led by 14 in the first half and 9 at the break. From about 12:30 to 7:30 of the second half, SLU went on a 21-2 run, and ran away.

Hill might have led the country in points off the bench. As he was on fire (34 points, 7-10 threes), he played 40 minutes against UNC, so not really a bench player. He is streaky, and struggled in his last eight games prior to breaking out last night. Preventing him from getting open looks will be key like it was against Power.

Belle was always a great defender, but started as a huge offensive liability. In his third year with the program, he's significantly improvedon that end. While he doesn't take a lot of threes, he's hit more than half this year. "I'm not surprised he showed up big against UNC."

Rebounding is not as good as you might think. Team margin is only 2.2 playing the A-10 (ours is 10). Got outrebounded by 6 against UNC, "but they actually looked better there than in a lot of games."

Not great depth. They might have problems if they get into foul trouble. They expected a lot more from P5 transfers Tyrell Ward (LSU, 0-4 last night) and Ahmad Nowell (UConn, DNP last night). Backup center Keshawn Mitchell, whom Martelli brought from Bryant, is also buried on the bench.

"Every game, Djokovic has a life-threatening injury that lasts about 45 seconds."
Nice analysis. Who wins in your estimation?
 
#134      
Yeah…no. It was just kinda okay, next. If I remember correctly?
Oh no it was absolutely crushing and shocking, but the blame went entirely inward, Mike Thomas, Guenther, Weber, the administration, it was a true meltdown.

And of course the narrative around Shaka became "oh he's different he's so happy at the mid-major, he's a lifer, next Mark Few, don't mess with a happy life" the same old tune. He did stay at VCU for three more years, in fairness.

(Brad Stevens actually was as uninterested in big time CBB and big time CBB recruiting as people claimed he was, I guess)
 
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I am cautiously optimistic against VCU...But after that game, if we meet Houston (most likely), I see their defense smothering us and see a game where they dominate us similar to our game with Michigan..Two major things that has me pessimistic is regression of Boswel since his injury and Tomi . I am still trying to figure out how he has gotten so much worse than last year?? As such, if our threes aren't falling we are toast..Hope I'm wrong..
Let’s hope Tomi’s second half last night will give him some confidence
 
#137      
VCU is hot and there guards are tough, quick
& aggressive. Things we’ve have problems with this season. This is going to be a tough game, but if we can dominate the boards and stay in front of them, we should be good. It’ll be a hard fought game and in no way would I underestimate them after watching their highlights against NC.
 
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I still remember the selection guy saying vcu had to win their conf. tourney to make the Dance......I didn't watch any vcu games this year so I gotta put a lot of emphasis of my thoughts on his remark going forward..........vcu made a great comeback but unc choked big time by the players and by their inept coach.........

based on the above and how well the Illini played last night , my feeble worthless prediction is..............

Illini 88
vcu 76

Mirko-Man needs to continue his outstanding play and we need to rebound rebound rebound......

LET'S GO ILLINI !!!!!!!!!
That was very surprising. In the resume rankings (SOR, WAB, KPI), they were #34- ahead of all the other 11 seeds, all but one 10 seed, all but one 9 seed, and one 8 seed.

They're seeded appropriately according to efficiency metrics, as they were #47- the fourth 11 seed, although ahead of two 10 seeds (Mizzou and UCF)
 
#139      
I live in Virginia. VCU has a BIG following. They do travel well. They feel like they belong and most folks I know even (N.C) alumni felt that VCU would beat them. I work with Kevin Madden who played at N.C. with M.J. and I think he may have felt that way also. Sure VCU is an underdog but they are totally capable of winning this game. Do I think they will. No but I have been wrong before. Go Illini!
Never doubted that they did in Virginia, nor did I say we were sure-fire going to win this game.

The question was why do they seem to know so many Illini fans, but we don't know as many VCU fans? I just posited that it was because we're a larger school with a bigger alumni base and more people are leaving Illinois for growing states like Virginia.
 
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Eh, I definitely subjectively noticed a few times where he definitely just barreled toward the hoop into a crowd of guys … and everyone I watched with made a comment about it. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Stats don’t tell everything.
I agree with your analysis. He definitely forces shots and drives into crowds. I guess I am just a big AS fan and it bothers me when posters say they won’t be sad to see him go and he’s just about getting a big bag next year. The last 2 games he has come in under the sixteen minute mark and played really well only to get pulled which killed our momentum. It drives me bonkers. I think when AS is good we are really good. Let’s go beat VCU and take our chances against Sanscum
 
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I agree with your analysis. He definitely forces shots and drives into crowds. I guess I am just a big AS fan and it bothers me when posters say they won’t be sad to see him go and he’s just about getting a big bag next year. The last 2 games he has come in under the sixteen minute mark and played really well only to get pulled which killed our momentum. It drives me bonkers. I think when AS is good we are really good. Let’s go beat VCU and take our chances against Sanscum
He's the only guy on the team who isn't a widget that just seamlessly slots into our machine to play the exact same basketball every possession. That's both the best and the worst thing about him in terms of how he impacts the team.

The way he can change the flow of what we do is something no one else on the team offers, which we will absolutely need if we have any hope of a Final Four.
 
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He's the only guy on the team who isn't a widget that just seamlessly slots into our machine to play the exact same basketball every possession. That's both the best and the worst thing about him in terms of how he impacts the team.

The way he can change the flow of what we do is something no one else on the team offers, which we will absolutely need if we have any hope of a Final Four.

I sort of get them pulling Andrej after his 8 minute stint in the 1H… he had two buckets on five shots and dribbled into a crowd and lost the ball
 
#146      
Oh no it was absolutely crushing and shocking, but the blame went entirely inward, Mike Thomas, Guenther, Weber, the administration, it was a true meltdown.

And of course the narrative around Shaka became "oh he's different he's so happy at the mid-major, he's a lifer, next Mark Few, don't mess with a happy life" the same old tune. He did stay at VCU for three more years, in fairness.

(Brad Stevens actually was as uninterested in big time CBB and big time CBB recruiting as people claimed he was, I guess)
My recollection is the Shaka and Bruce Weber hiring were completely different when compared to Brad Stevens or Mark Few.

The Bruce Weber hire came because:
(1) No one was expecting Bill Self to leave at the end of the 2003 season. Roy Williams didn't move to UNC until April 14 of 2003
(2) This is who Illinois went after once Self announced he was leaving: Maquette's Tom Crean, Xavier's Thad Matta, Southern Illinois' Bruce Weber, Oregon's Ernie Kent (a native of Rockford, Ill.) and former Bulls coach Tim Floyd.

Without going into much detail, the Illinois job was not a top paying head coaching position. Hence Crean, Matta, and Floyd weren't very interested. We didn't change men's B-Ball coaching comp until Josh Whitman arrived. Of what was "really available" at the time, Weber was the best possible candidate we could recruit.

As for Shaka Smart - He was hired because Texas AD Steve Patterson was anxious push out Rick Barnes and make a splash with the Texas Alum. The reports are the Shaka's comp was doubled on the trade to Texas.

Stevens never spoke to another school - he signed a 12 year contract (which actually underpaid him) at Butler in 2012. Boston's offer was less than what several NCAA schools were paying.

Mark Few is one of the most underpaid coaches in all of sport. But he never has had any interest in leaving the Northwest. He grew up in Oregon and coached High School hoop in Oregon before joining the Gonzaga staff in 1999.

I don't see how any of these situations are comparable or make a statement about mid - major college basketball.
 
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And he was supposed to be in a plane heading to Champaign but was in fact out doing sidewalk chalk with his kids?

It was epic, man.

To that VCU poster's point, correct, Illini fans are in fact a bucket of howling lunatics. We rock.
I mean, yeah; however, as far as I know none of us have ever driven hundreds of miles to an opposing campus and poisoned a tree cherished by the fan base there, or otherwise destroyed such talismanic property.

As we're all aware, the SEC is nonpareil "hold my beer" territory where howling lunacy is concerned.

I know, I know... whataboutism run rampant.
 
#149      
Even though we should win pretty handily on-paper, I'm not gonna overlook VCU, especially after they upset UNC.

I know I said that for Penn as well, but that goes for every opponent in MM. Anything can happen.

But again, we should easily win this if we repeat our performance from this game tonight.
VCU is a different kind of animal than Penn. They bring the element of speed and quickness which we have had troubles with. We will have the height and hopefully the smarts to use it wisely.
 
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