And, I agree with him. Even really good three point shooters probably only shoot 35, 36% because on average we allow 31% which is pretty top-of-the-line.
So:
Is, again as I stated previously, entirely not true.
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And, I agree with him. Even really good three point shooters probably only shoot 35, 36% because on average we allow 31% which is pretty top-of-the-line.
So:
Is, again as I stated previously, entirely not true.
If you shoot 35% on threes (and shoot ten) you will score 9-11 points on ten shots. You would need to shoot 45-55% to score the same amount of points. I am sure analytics can figure this out but most people shoot that well from inside the arc.
blackdog
- Champaign
Key part of the quote is "really good shooter", in other words the guys who might normally shoot 40%.
Literally has nothing to do with the conversation being had (if we allow teams to shoot the 3 well against us or not)
But to humor your point, you use an example of 35% but our number this season is 31% so this argument would fall flat anyhow (even if it were the topic here)
Sorry Narrow J, I was stating that shooting 35% would equal 45-50 % from inside the arc. I apologize that you think my comment is so off topic. I think stating what a team shoots has some relevance. But thank you for "humoring me."
Isn't his point that the strategy is good even if the other team hits 35% of threes since generally teams will hit more than 45% - 55% of layups?
Nah. Let's just throttle 'em from the tipoff onward.
It sounded like he was saying in order to equal the efficiency of 35% on 3s you only have to shoot between 45-55% on 2s? Either way, our 3 pt defense has been extremely good overall this season so its ok to allow a few more attempts (imo). I think we close out well with our size & length so recovering from rotations isn't a death knell since we can still get contests.
Just to make his math more accurate here, 35% on 10 three point shots would be 10.5 points (he said 9-11) so you'd need to make 52.5% from 2 to equal that efficiency. In our case, we allow 31.3% from 3 and 46.5% from 2 so its about equal (teams are getting 0.94 points per shot on 3s and 0.93 points per shot on 2s against us this year)
We were talking about conversion rate of 3 pointers, not the rate that teams shoot them.
Sorry, honestly didn't mean to be a butthead. We've now dovetailed your point into the original discussion anyhow.
OrangeBlue98
Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
- Des Moines, IA
I think it would be a fun evening talking college basketball over pizza and beers with Fanta. Just seems like a good dude who loves what he does and appreciates the opportunities he’s getting.Fanta
Love his enthusiasm for anything college basketball
Agreed. We lose another one and we are probably out. I don't see Purdue or M. State beating Scum.
Chuck Nuggets
Dip your nuggets in my staff source sauce.
I'm really surprised by this spread. Maybe I shouldn't be.
They also have @UCLA and @USC. I think they could have 4 losses even with a win today.
If we’re being honest — is their resume that impressive other than the win against us? Their non-con is terrible.
When they went into Michigan ranked top5, they were coming off of a pillow soft five game stretch.
Illinois EM 33.2 Wisconsin EM 18.8
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
They have one less Q1 and Q1A win than us, but a better Q1 and Q1A winning percentage, so their resume is solid. They have an identical Q1 resume to UConn who is currently projected a 1 seed (but two less Q2 wins). They're probably a 2 seed if the tournament started today:
Genuine thought - How about we replace their games against Kansas State, Oklahoma, Creighton, New Mexico with Texas Tech, UConn, Alabama, Tennessee?
How about go to MSG and play UCONN? How about play Texas Tech first week of the season when they’re ranked top 10? Alabama? Tennessee?
Serious question: Do they win any of those games?
Had that insane shot not gone in we beat them at home as well.
I’m just happy we beat them in Lincoln so we can at least explore the idea of them being a fraud. March Madness takes no prisoners.
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Is it just me or is ESPN over using "paper tiger" ?
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
For sure, I think we would be seeded ahead of Nebraska if the tournament started today for that very reason. I think both teams would get a 2 seed.
Here's our Q1 games:
And here's Nebraska's:
So our Q1 wins in order of difficulty are:
@ (10) Purdue
@ (11) Nebraska
@ (20) Iowa
n (21) Tennessee
@ (40) Ohio St
vs (19) Texas Tech
And Nebraska's Q1 wins in order of difficulty are:
@ (4) Illinois
vs (12) Michigan St
@ (33) Iowa
@ (40) Ohio St
n (45) New Mexico
Looking at those resumes side by side, we clearly have the more quality wins.
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No because their confidence wouldn’t be where it’s at now.
It’s why teams like that don’t play such a difficult non conference. That mental makeup comes from seeing that pretty record go up. And losing to those great teams could kill your locker room.
FWIW, they only beat Kansas State by 1 point.
This comment will be looked at as foolish, but it’s 100% true (at least the first 4 paragraphs).
They’re not a fraud but Purdue is
Oh I think Purdue has a very good chance at beating them in Mackey. I can see Purdue being favored
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Prediction: zero teams in all of Division 1 will go undefeated from today to Selection Sunday.
Personally, don't love the Boyd matchup. But I'm hopeful our height negates him getting downhill. He doesn't shoot much midrange, which, yes, we like to force that - so bad on paper. But if it's going to force a lot at the rim, hopefully our twins force tough ones.
Also, let's not let one of Rapp or Rhode get going from deep. This becomes a lot more manageable if we can limit floor spacing when blackwell and boyd inevitably get downhill (thy're really good guards, against anyone they can get downhill). Sneaky big Jake Davis game IMO, dominate your matchup
Also, let's not let one of Rapp or Rhode get going from deep. This becomes a lot more manageable if we can limit floor spacing when blackwell and boyd inevitably get downhill (thy're really good guards, against anyone they can get downhill). Sneaky big Jake Davis game IMO, dominate your matchup
Zorak
- Naperville
Unfortunately a Michigan loss to Duke doesn't help us.
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