Rutgers 91, Illinois 88 Postgame

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bootsy said:
Illinois was playing a ranked opponent. Give me a break with needs to 'learn that lesson'. That lost to another team that's good.
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When you allow 15 offensive rebounds, turn it over 13 times, commit 26 personal fouls, and gift your opponent 21 more FT attempts, you are not performing at a level that reflects an understanding of how little room for error there is in these games. I have absolute confidence in our staff and team's ability to tighten things up by the end of the season. But we shouldn't pretend that some of our current issues aren't self-inflicted.
 
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Johnny Lawrence said:
If Trent and Demonte and even Ayo to a lesser extent are supposed to be elite perimeter defenders and Kofi is the shot blocker in the middle than how are teams scoring so easily on us? It's not all athletic 4's.
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In the Rutgers postgame, Underwood talked about how it hurts us on both defense and offense when we defend well, but then bail the other team out and let them shoot FTs. Giving the other team FT opportunities also prevents us from getting out in transition (one of our strengths). The FT disparity is helping to pad our opponents' scores.

I think the other two components are turnovers and offensive rebounds. Turnovers and rebounds give opponents extra scoring opportunities. Offensive rebounds often lead to easier scoring opportunities.

Looking at our three losses so far (the only games where we allowed our opponent to score 80+):

Baylor: +5 FTM/+8 FTA/-5 TO/+5 OREB/+3 REB
Mizzou: +9 FTM/+3 FTA/+5 TO/+3 OREB/+9 REB
Rutgers: +14 FTM/+21 FTA/-4 TO/+5 OREB/+1 REB
 
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Hard to feel good about it after a loss, but Ayo had another quiet yet productive game. 22 pts, 11 reb, 6 ast. 10/20 shooting.
 
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Illinois 88 points with 54% from the floor and 60% from 3 against Rutgers defense is very very impressive.

This will likely be season worst totals in all 3 categories for RU
 
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JFGsCoffeeMug said:
When you allow 15 offensive rebounds, turn it over 13 times, commit 26 personal fouls, and gift your opponent 21 more FT attempts, you are not performing at a level that reflects an understanding of how little room for error there is in these games. I have absolute confidence in our staff and team's ability to tighten things up by the end of the season. But we shouldn't pretend that some of our current issues aren't self-inflicted.
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And you think of all of those fouls were legitimate? No they weren't. There are things that need to get better obviously but to act like they are just a mess because they lost to a top 25 team on the road is ridiculous.
 
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I'd like to see coach and team aggressively address some issues that have cropped up with specific players. 1) Adam Miller is being outrebounded by Andre Curbelo by a wide margin. Adam must be challenged to be more than a standstill shooter or he sits. 2) Giorgi rebounds at the same rate as Andre Curbelo. Giorgi needs to stop telling jokes mid-game and instead get some rebounds. Mulcahy from Rutgers outrebounded combined Miller + Giorgi by 7 -4. That's not winning Big ten basketball.
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Trent played basically the entire game and had zero rebounds as well . Our small ball style is getting whupped by teams also playing small ball because they are simply able to get more skill on the floor.

When you are running small ball rebounding is going to be a issue but to me an even bigger issue is that we run small ball and cant shoot free throws ,struggle with ballhandling and short creation as well as three point shooting all the things that starting 4 guards should be giving you . When you consider that none of them play above the rim and Ayo is the only elite finisher is the only elite finisher of the group followed by Curbelo and you have problems against top level competition with true sized wings . Im not even sure how you can counter to cover for these things with the rosters current health situation .
 
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When Rutgers tried to slam home a dunk thar hit the back of the rim, the ball bounced all the way across the half court line. Why wasn't that called over and back.
 
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IlliniInSturgisMi said:
When Rutgers tried to slam home a dunk thar hit the back of the rim, the ball bounced all the way across the half court line. Why wasn't that called over and back.
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Because once the ball hits the rim, no one has possession of the ball. You can only have an over and back call if you possess the ball and throw it into the backcourt.
 
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If defense doesn't improve dramatically and we continue to foul this team is going to be around 500 in the Big Ten instead of
fighting to win the conference. Right now they are much closer to a 7-8 seed than a top 4 seed. Need to change things quickly as good as the Big 10 is this year
 
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www.stltoday.com

Foul-plagued Illinois falls at Rutgers

"We got taken out behind the woodshed and whooped," Illini coach Underwood says.
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PISCATAWAY, N.J. — After what was a mostly perfect start full of back-door cuts, 3-pointers and playing perfectly in-sync, No. 13 Illinois watched that version of itself disappear.
The defensive stops vanished into thin air. The turnovers mounted. The 50-50 balls — again — went to the other team. More importantly, what was once an 11-point lead disappeared and No. 19 Rutgers salted away a 91-88 victory on Sunday afternoon at The RAC.
“Life on the road in the Big Ten,” Illinois coach Brad Underwood said. “Quite the learning lesson. We got taken out behind the woodshed and whooped.”

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The beginning of the article above says it all for me......

Mulcahy ? If i say what i feel about him i will surely get another vacation ,so..........
DW is really stroking it great and when him and curbello went out with fouls , our chances went with them....
That 3-2 zone we played had zero of our guys in the paint most of the time ...whats up with that ?
Miller is going to have to figure it out PDQ that what worked in HS isn't gonna work most of the time in the B1G...looks to be a 3-4 yr player to me
3 losses to (now) 3 ranked teams.....all 3 on the road....( 1 neutral court) this does NOT curb my expectations, but we do have work that needs to be done to elevate our play and stop the TO's , silly fouls , etc
Playing Kofi and Giorgi together works somewhat on offense, but defensively hinders our efficiency and rebounding....

I'm waiting on my new samsung 65" QLED 4k Q90T tv to be delivered....hope to have it up and running before next Illini game , with a lot better results.....

GO ILLINI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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He hustled. Wish we had someone more like him.
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Please no. Hustled, yes, some, but mostly whined to the refs, flopped and cried. It was at the point of DWs foul I had to flip Illini Radio for the audio feed. Whomever the play by play guy was - he was giving him WAY too much credit for being "NJ tough". More like AAU spoiled pr*ck to me.

Every time he got called for something he looked over at his coach like - "what did i do?". No thanks.
 
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Please no. Hustled, yes, some, but mostly whined to the refs, flopped and cried. It was at the point of DWs foul I had to flip Illini Radio for the audio feed. Whomever the play by play guy was - he was giving him WAY too much credit for being "NJ tough". More like AAU spoiled pr*ck to me.

Every time he got called for something he looked over at his coach like - "what did i do?". No thanks.
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Please, don't kid yourself. If we had a Mulchahy on our team we'd love him like a skinny Lucas Johnson. He got into DMFW and Giorgi's grill and into the heads of the refs. I estimate he was worth at least 4 or 5 of those fouls. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Oh and a side note, the only NJ HS player in history to average a triple double. Averaged. Triple. Double. Two time All State. Yes please.

Of course I wanted to punch him yesterday.
 
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This damn team is all over the place, one moment they look dominate the next moment they look mid-level. Could easily only be 4-4, not jumping ship, however, this is not a championship level team at this point, just too inconsistent.
 
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skyIdub said:
Please, don't kid yourself. If we had a Mulchahy on our team we'd love him like a skinny Lucas Johnson. He got into DMFW and Giorgi's grill and into the heads of the refs. I estimate he was worth at least 4 or 5 of those fouls. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Oh and a side note, the only NJ HS player in history to average a triple double. Averaged. Triple. Double. Two time All State. Yes please.

Of course I wanted to punch him yesterday.
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By the end of this season, I suspect the collective B1G fanbases, minus Rutgers, are going to be asking Pauly Walnuts to pay a visit to Mulcahy or his family, but I doubt that it is going to work.

Replace Mulcahy with an average player and we would have won last night going away.
 
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KOTC2 said:
This damn team is all over the place, one moment they look dominate the next moment they look mid-level. Could easily only be 4-4, not jumping ship, however, this is not a championship level team at this point, just too inconsistent.
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Yup. They are playing way too much like a group of 18-22 year old kids.
 
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skyIdub said:
Please, don't kid yourself. If we had a Mulchahy on our team we'd love him like a skinny Lucas Johnson. He got into DMFW and Giorgi's grill and into the heads of the refs. I estimate he was worth at least 4 or 5 of those fouls. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Oh and a side note, the only NJ HS player in history to average a triple double. Averaged. Triple. Double. Two time All State. Yes please.

Of course I wanted to punch him yesterday.
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Please, I am not kidding myself at all - and please don't think you know how I think. I really don't care what he accomplished in HS. We all did not think highly of AG when he pulled similar crap, and most did not cry when he left.

I get all the above - I know he knew what he is doing - but there are some type of players we can do without and he's one of them. Those tactics work sometimes, sometimes they don't, they are not consistent with the refs, level of play, etc.

So, NO - thanks for being obnoxious enough to think you know me better than i do - but hard pass. Lucas Johnson was annoying, but not a whiner as I recall.
 
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He's a pretty good look at the DW flagrant foul - at no point does DW's arm or elbow make contact with Mulchahy's face. If anything Mulchahy put his chin on DW's shoulder and throws his head back like he was punched.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1340743855864492032

Look players flop all the time and get calls, but how can two officials look at that replay and decide it was a flagrant? They clearly didn't see it, because if they did they would have just called it flagrant right away, instead they huddled up for a few minutes then decided it was flagrant. Same thing with Kofi's flagrant that had significant impact on that outcome.

This really needs to stop with officials allowing players to flop and get flagrant fouls called. It's working and we're headed down a path to becoming a Euro soccer league with all the flopping. They need to assess a technical on the other player if the review shows it's a flop - it would at least make players think twice about flopping.
 
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He's a pretty good look at the DW flagrant foul - at no point does DW's arm or elbow make contact with Mulchahy's face. If anything Mulchahy put his chin on DW's shoulder and throws his head back like he was punched.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1340743855864492032

Look players flop all the time and get calls, but how can two officials look at that replay and decide it was a flagrant? They clearly didn't see it, because if they did they would have just called it flagrant right away, instead they huddled up for a few minutes then decided it was flagrant. Same thing with Kofi's flagrant that had significant impact on that outcome.

This really needs to stop with officials allowing players to flop and get flagrant fouls called. It's working and we're headed down a path to becoming a Euro soccer league with all the flopping. They need to assess a technical on the other player if the review shows it's a flop - it would at least make players think twice about flopping.
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Yeah, hard pass on that guy. A flop taking a charge is one thing, but this is not basketball. It's Davison level junk play. I also love the look back at the ref in another free throw where our guys pinched him on rebound (like you're supposed to) and he looked back and whined as if to say "These guys are hurting me - can you make them stop?"

Hard, hard pass on that style of play. I watched WAY too many babies playing that style in AAU.
 
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VAIllini35 said:
Please, I am not kidding myself at all - and please don't think you know how I think. I really don't care what he accomplished in HS. We all did not think highly of AG when he pulled similar crap, and most did not cry when he left.

I get all the above - I know he knew what he is doing - but there are some type of players we can do without and he's one of them. Those tactics work sometimes, sometimes they don't, they are not consistent with the refs, level of play, etc.

So, NO - thanks for being obnoxious enough to think you know me better than i do - but hard pass. Lucas Johnson was annoying, but not a whiner as I recall.
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Whoa .saying "please, don't kid yourself" isn't obnoxious and I wasn't attacking you. No need to be so defensive.

I wasn't referring to how "you" think....which is why I used "we'd all love him".
 
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skyIdub said:
Whoa .saying "please, don't kid yourself" isn't obnoxious and I wasn't attacking you. No need to be so defensive.

I wasn't referring to how "you" think....which is why I used "we'd all love him".
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Not being defensive. It is obnoxious to assume I would like or want a player just because he is on our team. You are basically telling me that my view of what I like in a player and his actions/play would automatically change just because he was on our team. So, yes, that is telling me what I think.

I also don't agree "we'd all love him" -- You may like that type of player, but I don't assume all basketball fans do. That is just your opinion and no doubt others - but no doubt not all.
 
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2qtslow said:
Yup. They are playing way too much like a group of 18-22 year old kids.
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Yep. Playing against other 18-22 year old kids who don't seem to have a problem playing consistent for 40 minutes.

If this was a young team I would be able to accept growing pains due to the limited off-season workouts but this is supposed to be a veteran team.
 
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Johnny Lawrence said:
If this was a young team I would be able to accept growing pains due to the limited off-season workouts but this is supposed to be a veteran team.
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But it's not. 2 freshmen are getting heavy minutes and 3 are a big part of our rotation. Yes, we have veterans, but as a whole, this team has a lot of new faces expected to step up into big roles.
 
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But it's not. 2 freshmen are getting heavy minutes and 3 are a big part of our rotation. Yes, we have veterans, but as a whole, this team has a lot of new faces expected to step up into big roles.
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agree - that's where the fouls are coming from to a good extent. Also, not sure why Giorgi was left on the court as much as he was yesterday. Could not defend and he continues to be way too casual/cool with his passes.