St. Louis Cardinals 2022

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Ryllini

Lombard
Agreed, probably DH.
A little early to know who will be available and we probably need to see how effective Jack is, but who does everyone think could be on the move come trade deadline? We need pitching, this series is a prime example as to why, granted a 5 game set is an outlier. I'm guessing they are praying DeJong starts to light it up in the minors and Gorman keeps performing.
 
#506      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky

Derrick Goold
CHICAGO — Before the Cardinals could capitalize on the generosity of the rulebook in extra innings and the rolling production of their rookies, they first had to get outs.
With at least two innings to cover after Adam Wainwright’s savvy seven innings, they turned to lefty Genesis Cabrera. The only one of their late-game trio available for Sunday’s game, Cabrera covered the eighth, the ninth and then just kept going for one of the most compelling — and telling — relief performances of the year.
Cabrera pitched four stout innings and doubled his season-high for pitches to carry the Cardinals to a 5-3 victory in 11 innings at Wrigley Field.

Rookie Juan Yepez connected for an RBI single in the top of the 11th to score the runner gifted teams at second base in extra innings. Rookie Brendan Donovan widened the lead with his two-out RBI double. That gave Cabrera added cushion to work with when he came out, somewhat surprisingly, for the bottom of the 11th inning. He finished with five strikeouts and one run allowed through the four innings. It took the reliever 58 pitches.
He earned the win.
The Cardinals claimed the series, winning in extra innings the final two games of the four-day, five-game visit to the North Side. For the first time since May 1986, the Cardinals split a game of at least 11 innings between two pitchers and won, according to Elias. Cabrera’s use was both a nod to his effectiveness and availability as it was revealing to what arms the Cardinals can count on in close quarters like a one-run game at Wrigley.
 
#507      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky

Derrick Goold
CHICAGO — The Cardinals have taken such a measured, deliberate and patient approach bringing Jack Flaherty back from the shoulder pain that ended his spring training before it started that three innings of work isn’t going to sway months of planning.
But were three innings to do it, they came Sunday.
In his first rehab start — his first appearance in competition this season — Flaherty retired all nine batters he faced on 30 pitches for Class AA Springfield. The former opening day starter, wearing No. 50 for the S-Cards, touched 96 mph with his fastball in the first inning and struck out three total. Based on how he recovers Monday, the Cardinals will plot his next start and aim him toward at least 60 pitches. That would put Flaherty (shoulder bursitis) on track to return to the rotation by the end of the month.

The right-hander headlined a day of significant strides for Cardinals on the comeback. A day after hitting the winning homer in the ninth inning for Triple-A Memphis, Tyler O’Neill (shoulder) played the entire game in left field. He’s batting .385 (5 for 13) on his rehab assignment. Dylan Carlson (torn hamstring) played five innings in right Saturday and seven in the field Sunday. Both players will be evaluated based on how they feel Monday following a weekend of games.
 
#509      
I heard about it. "You are entitled to your beliefs. However only if you believe the exact same thing that I believe otherwise you are a horrible person and I reject your ability to express your beliefs after all, you are a horrible person." SMH.
 
#510      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky

Ben Frederickson
Even Albert Pujols has limits.
So far, the Cooperstown-bound slugger’s reunion with the Cardinals has gone about as well as any realistic observer could have hoped.
So much so that Cardinal Nation, a fan base full of National League loyalists, is cheering a designated hitter.
Pujols, the recipient of a one-year, $2.5 million deal that will surely wind up making the Cardinals more money that it cost them, is powering up against lefties, as expected. He’s averaging .335 with a .389 on-base percentage and a .613 slugging percentage against southpaws. What worked for the Dodgers last season is working for the Cardinals now. And yes, it’s way more fun to watch it work for the Cardinals than the Dodgers.


Pujols’ numbers against righties (.125/.290/.232) are grim, despite the spin. That should have been expected, too. Manager Oliver Marmol, for a numbers guy, often overlooks the evidence. Then again, he doesn’t always have an available alternative that makes it easy to sit Pujols. I get it.
And whether Pujols is hitting or sitting, he’s mentoring impressive rookie Juan Yepez and other young players who are smart enough to listen and take diligent notes. There is real value in that.
Pujols, it can be said without hesitation, is meeting fair expectations.
 
#512      
1 trade chip for each team

Cardinals: RF/LF Corey Dickerson
The 33-year-old Dickerson, who was signed just prior to Spring Training in hopes his left-handed bat could give the righty-heavy Cardinals lineup more balance, has flopped badly so far. He has mostly been passed by youngsters Brendan Donovan and Juan Yepez at the corner outfield spots, and the Cardinals would be wise to see what they can get for the veteran. Complicating matters is the fact that Dickerson, who is hitting .194, strained his left calf on Saturday, one day after he hit his first two home runs as a Cardinal. -- John Denton

I don't understand people's thought process. It's as if they don't know how to think through the whole situation.

Corey has clearly under-performed for St Louis. So much so he has lost playing time to younger guys. Not to worry, the Cardinals simply have to trade him to another team. (After all, according to this article he is their trading chip to get someone better.)

How? Why?

If you don't like him, if you can see that he has not done what is expected of him, why would any GM want him? Even if they did, what can you really get back for a 33 yo who is hitting .194 with a .531 OPS? As of now, he is DFA material not trade bait.

This was really lazy on John Denton's part. A true trade bait would be a healthy TON with Mo looking to slide a younger more affordable Yepez or Donovan into his spot. I can't say that I am in favor of trading Tyler only that he has more marketable than Dickerson.
If Carlson stays at 2B then Sosa and DeJong are expendable but again, there isn't a real market for either of them.
 
#513      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
1 trade chip for each team



I don't understand people's thought process. It's as if they don't know how to think through the whole situation.

Corey has clearly under-performed for St Louis. So much so he has lost playing time to younger guys. Not to worry, the Cardinals simply have to trade him to another team. (After all, according to this article he is their trading chip to get someone better.)

How? Why?

If you don't like him, if you can see that he has not done what is expected of him, why would any GM want him? Even if they did, what can you really get back for a 33 yo who is hitting .194 with a .531 OPS? As of now, he is DFA material not trade bait.

This was really lazy on John Denton's part. A true trade bait would be a healthy TON with Mo looking to slide a younger more affordable Yepez or Donovan into his spot. I can't say that I am in favor of trading Tyler only that he has more marketable than Dickerson.
If Carlson stays at 2B then Sosa and DeJong are expendable but again, there isn't a real market for either of them.
Do you mean Gorman ??
 
#515      
The outfield is getting crowded and pitching is the opposite so a trade makes sense and I think is inevitable. I doubt Dickerson or even Nootbaar have trade value at this point to bring anything back. Bader is playing great lately and is I think undervalued so he's probably safe. I think it'd be foolish to trade low on TON. I think it makes the most sense to trade high on Yepez who's started to cool off a bit and/or Burleson who is tearing up AAA and should either be traded or called up. Could also see Carlson go, as he flashed enough potential last year to have value as a trade chip.
 
#516      
The outfield is getting crowded and pitching is the opposite so a trade makes sense and I think is inevitable. I doubt Dickerson or even Nootbaar have trade value at this point to bring anything back. Bader is playing great lately and is I think undervalued so he's probably safe. I think it'd be foolish to trade low on TON. I think it makes the most sense to trade high on Yepez who's started to cool off a bit and/or Burleson who is tearing up AAA and should either be traded or called up. Could also see Carlson go, as he flashed enough potential last year to have value as a trade chip.
I agree with you. Basically EVERY other OF is more of a trade bait candidate than DIckerson.
 
#517      

Ryllini

Lombard
The outfield is getting crowded and pitching is the opposite so a trade makes sense and I think is inevitable. I doubt Dickerson or even Nootbaar have trade value at this point to bring anything back. Bader is playing great lately and is I think undervalued so he's probably safe. I think it'd be foolish to trade low on TON. I think it makes the most sense to trade high on Yepez who's started to cool off a bit and/or Burleson who is tearing up AAA and should either be traded or called up. Could also see Carlson go, as he flashed enough potential last year to have value as a trade chip.
I just don't see the front office moving Yepez or Carlson and certainly not Bader or TON. Maybe I should sh*t on TON like last year and he will start hitting🤣. To me, Dejong is the guy to move. Need to him to tear it up in AAA, to bait a team with his bat. His glove never went away. He will only get us a useful bullpen arm imo. It is early with Gorman, but I could see him being sent back down. Since his last hr, his AB's have been abysmal. He is almost bailing in the box. Yepez is bailing a bit as well.
 
#518      
I just don't see the front office moving Yepez or Carlson and certainly not Bader or TON. Maybe I should sh*t on TON like last year and he will start hitting🤣. To me, Dejong is the guy to move. Need to him to tear it up in AAA, to bait a team with his bat. His glove never went away. He will only get us a useful bullpen arm imo. It is early with Gorman, but I could see him being sent back down. Since his last hr, his AB's have been abysmal. He is almost bailing in the box. Yepez is bailing a bit as well.
DeJong isn't going to bring anything (that you'd actually want) back. You have to give something to get something, so it's either going to be a guy like Yepez or Carlson, an MLB-ready prospect like Burleson, or a top prospect like Walker or Winn or Baez, and the FO has been less willing to deal high ceiling prospects like that. When it comes down to it, I think Yepez makes the most sense. Don't get me wrong, I really really like Yepez, but he's already 24, he's a limited defender whose calling card is his power hitting, and at that he's only hit 4 homers and after a white hot start his OPS has come back down to earth at .776. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure he's going to end up defensively as a full time 1st baseman (unless he's a full time DH) and we are kind of set there for the time with Goldy now and Walker as the heir apparent. Yepez's trade value probably doesn't get higher and I could see him having a Matt Adams-esque career, which is not a knock because Adams had some good value. Just saying, if you could go back in time you'd absolutely trade Adams in 2014.

Agree that Bader and TON are not getting moved. I'd be absolutely shocked if they moved either of them. I don't think they'd even get value if they wanted to, as I think Bader is better than he gets credit for, and they'd be selling low on TON (who has 2 hits tonight I'm very happy to say).

As for Gorman, he's not going back down. There is an MLB learning curve, and the Cubs series certainly showcased that, but he's not the type of guy that's going to go back and forth between the minors and majors unless he has a sustained (we're talking months-long) drought. I think we, as fans, need to have reasonable expectations for him. He's already providing significantly more value with his bat than DeJong or Sosa, so it's a win. He doesn't have to put up All-Star or even ROY numbers right out of the gate.
 
#519      

Ryllini

Lombard
DeJong isn't going to bring anything (that you'd actually want) back. You have to give something to get something, so it's either going to be a guy like Yepez or Carlson, an MLB-ready prospect like Burleson, or a top prospect like Walker or Winn or Baez, and the FO has been less willing to deal high ceiling prospects like that. When it comes down to it, I think Yepez makes the most sense. Don't get me wrong, I really really like Yepez, but he's already 24, he's a limited defender whose calling card is his power hitting, and at that he's only hit 4 homers and after a white hot start his OPS has come back down to earth at .776. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure he's going to end up defensively as a full time 1st baseman (unless he's a full time DH) and we are kind of set there for the time with Goldy now and Walker as the heir apparent. Yepez's trade value probably doesn't get higher and I could see him having a Matt Adams-esque career, which is not a knock because Adams had some good value. Just saying, if you could go back in time you'd absolutely trade Adams in 2014.

Agree that Bader and TON are not getting moved. I'd be absolutely shocked if they moved either of them. I don't think they'd even get value if they wanted to, as I think Bader is better than he gets credit for, and they'd be selling low on TON (who has 2 hits tonight I'm very happy to say).

As for Gorman, he's not going back down. There is an MLB learning curve, and the Cubs series certainly showcased that, but he's not the type of guy that's going to go back and forth between the minors and majors unless he has a sustained (we're talking months-long) drought. I think we, as fans, need to have reasonable expectations for him. He's already providing significantly more value with his bat than DeJong or Sosa, so it's a win. He doesn't have to put up All-Star or even ROY numbers right out of the gate.
Believe me, I'm willing to be patient with Gorman. I love the kid, I stop everything I'm doing when he is up. With that being said, he has been coming off the bench with more frequency of late(brief stint, I get it), but a guy like that who needs to develop his strike zone needs multiple everyday AB's and not pinch hits that end in K's. He is going to be good, he is good, but he has to play if he is to grow. One man's opinion.

You could and probably are right about Yepez, but unless a trade is done with him relatively soon, and he continues to regress a touch, value goes down by the day. That's why I say Paul will be on the move for a bullpen arm. Getting Jack back is like making a trade without doing so to bolster the staff and Matz will be back this weekend.

Hicks has to go back to the pen when he comes back, right?
 
#520      
Believe me, I'm willing to be patient with Gorman. I love the kid, I stop everything I'm doing when he is up. With that being said, he has been coming off the bench with more frequency of late(brief stint, I get it), but a guy like that who needs to develop his strike zone needs multiple everyday AB's and not pinch hits that end in K's. He is going to be good, he is good, but he has to play if he is to grow. One man's opinion.

You could and probably are right about Yepez, but unless a trade is done with him relatively soon, and he continues to regress a touch, value goes down by the day. That's why I say Paul will be on the move for a bullpen arm. Getting Jack back is like making a trade without doing so to bolster the staff and Matz will be back this weekend.

Hicks has to go back to the pen when he comes back, right?
Couldn't agree more regarding regular ABs. I actually wish they'd play him against lefties and just stick him in the 7 or 8 spot. He's gotta get ABs to improve against lefties. It's not like replacing his bat with Sosa against lefties actually improves our offense more than marginally.

Can't imagine we see Hicks starting again this season unless we're really in a rough spot.
 
#521      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Gut punch loss ..........................ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#524      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky

Rick Hummel
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — For the third game in succession on the road, the Cardinals had to pass through the crucible of scoring in the top of an extra inning and then try to hang on to that lead when the home team also starts the inning with a runner at second base.
On Saturday in Chicago, they scored four in the 10th and won by three. On Sunday, they scored two in the 11th and held off the Cubs. But armed with just a one-run lead after scoring in the top of the 10th Tuesday night here, the Cardinals couldn’t pull off the hat trick.
After Cardinals third baseman Nolan Arenado made one of the plays of the season in turning a good bunt into a force-out, reliever Drew VerHagen didn’t locate a change-up where he wanted, and Tampa Bay rookie shortstop Taylor Walls, hitting .151, smacked a three-run homer off the screen attached to the foul pole.

The Rays’ 4-2 victory detracted, among other things, from Dakota Hudson’s brilliant seven-inning start in which he allowed just two hits and one run and pitched with such alacrity that it seemed he was double-parked, as a great sportscaster named Buck once said. Hudson has given up one run or or fewer in four of his past five starts, the past two both seven innings after speeding up his tempo.
“He kept everybody on their toes, ready to make plays,” said pitching coach Mike Maddux. “He’s in a good spot. We’re in a good spot when he’s in a good spot.”


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I just sat at my computer after the home run by the Rays and was stunned in the turn of events.......Verhagen had just got the batter to swing and miss on the outside half of the plate and needed to go back there with the pitch instead up and in ................................

jmho
 
#525      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky

Rick Hummel
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — Tyler O’Neill, who had been out since May 18 with a shoulder impingement and then a minor league rehab assignment, was back with the Cardinals and in their lineup Tuesday night, hitting fifth, playing left field and hoping to put .195 behind him.
O’Neill was 5 for 13 with a homer in three weekend games at Class AAA Memphis after leaving the Cardinals amid his injury and a rash of strikeouts. He returns with what he considers a different attitude.
“First and foremost, it’s good to be playing baseball again,” said O’Neill. “I’m feeling pretty good where I am. The swing is very good.”

He said his arm also felt “pretty good, but I didn’t have any testers (in the outfield) down there.
“We trust the process and we trust the program. I’m definitely ready to go again. I’ve got that fire in me again. I’m feeling healthy again, which is the most important.
“It’s a long season and I’m ready to start contributing. Obviously, it’s not the start I would have liked for myself but the boys have been holding it down up here without me, so far.