Sooooo....is Pop making some bad reads here or is Goldy getting benched now too?
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Sooooo....is Pop making some bad reads here or is Goldy getting benched now too?
Maybe Pop is making bad reads but Goldy was running hard the whole way. He was 90' further from home than TO was last night. I watched both games live on TV and I went back and rewatched the play at the plate from last night several times, It still looked like Tyler was less than full speed after rounding third. Maybe he would have been out anyway. IDK. As far as sending the runners goes, in both cases there were two outs. So probably the right decision IF it is gonna be close. Goldy's wasn't close so probably a bad decision by someone. In Goldy's defense, because he was running hard, he may have already passed third base, therefore his back would be turned to the play by the time the ball dropped. A shorter throw too. The batter, Gorman only got two bases out of the play. Goldy got two and was trying for three. Not a lack of hustle on Goldy's part. As far as Oli calling out O'Neill, I don't have have a problem with it. Tyler is getting paid millions. It's okay with me if someone doesn't share my opinion. It's just an opinion.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Hochman: What we’ve learned about Tyler O’Neill. And Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol.
The Tyler O’Neill situation reminds us that it’s not just the “Cardinal Way,” but “Marmol’s Way.” That’s how you play the game around here.
Tyler O’Neill committed a Cardinal sin.
And worse than that, he doubled down on his belief that he didn’t commit one in the first place.
The Cardinals outfielder — to my eye, your eye and the manager’s eye — didn’t give 100 percent effort when running from second to home on Tuesday. And he was thrown out (if he was safe, it would’ve cut Atlanta’s seventh-inning lead to 4-2 with the 2-3-4 hitters coming up).
On an already murky day outdoors, O’Neill said Wednesday of his baserunning: “No, I definitely didn't feel like I was going slower.”
He sure looked like he was going slower, especially after he rounded third and looked up toward right field for the ball. And manager Oliver Marmol said multiple times that if O’Neill had run full-speed, O’Neill would’ve been safe.
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Your post # 376 says it all for me ......think whatever you want man..................The sportswriter above say's it all........
TON loafed
TON got caught
TON disputes it
TON gets feelings hurt
my advice .........TON start hustling
short and sweet.......please don't respond.....I'll take the managers word , the sportswriters word and many cardinals fan's who , like me , saw it live on TV...........
The last 5 words in the above story is pretty telling........The window is now open............
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Reasonable minds can disagree, as can sportswriters:Hochman: What we’ve learned about Tyler O’Neill. And Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol.
The Tyler O’Neill situation reminds us that it’s not just the “Cardinal Way,” but “Marmol’s Way.” That’s how you play the game around here.www.stltoday.com
Tyler O’Neill committed a Cardinal sin.
And worse than that, he doubled down on his belief that he didn’t commit one in the first place.
The Cardinals outfielder — to my eye, your eye and the manager’s eye — didn’t give 100 percent effort when running from second to home on Tuesday. And he was thrown out (if he was safe, it would’ve cut Atlanta’s seventh-inning lead to 4-2 with the 2-3-4 hitters coming up).
On an already murky day outdoors, O’Neill said Wednesday of his baserunning: “No, I definitely didn't feel like I was going slower.”
He sure looked like he was going slower, especially after he rounded third and looked up toward right field for the ball. And manager Oliver Marmol said multiple times that if O’Neill had run full-speed, O’Neill would’ve been safe.
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Your post # 376 says it all for me ......think whatever you want man..................The sportswriter above say's it all........
TON loafed
TON got caught
TON disputes it
TON gets feelings hurt
my advice .........TON start hustling
short and sweet.......please don't respond.....I'll take the managers word , the sportswriters word and many cardinals fan's who , like me , saw it live on TV...........
The last 5 words in the above story is pretty telling........The window is now open............
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Dylan Carlson's window of opportunity opens up in center field: Cardinals Extra
With Tyler O'Neill out of the Cardinals starting lineup, Dylan Carlson got his first opportunity to start in center field this season.
Daniel Guerrero
The spring competition for the Cardinals’ starting center field job that closed as opening day neared reopened once again Wednesday.
After Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol was critical of Tyler O’Neill’s base running in the seventh inning of Tuesday night’s ballgame against Atlanta, Marmol felt like O’Neill’s effort to beat a throw at home plate was not what he expects from his club.
“There is a standard, and it’s here,” Marmol said. “You meet it, you play. You don’t meet it, you don’t play.”
“There’s going to be a style of play that we are known for. And it’s going to involve effort, and it’s going to involve being relentless,” Marmol later said Wednesday morning. “It’s going to involve being smart. And we’re going to keep guys to that because that’s how you sustain being good for a long time. There’s a lot of good players in the clubhouse and down below. And I love competition. And the last thing you want to do when you’re in a competition is open up a window.”
I don't know the answer, but TO has terrific speed. I can see where he tempered it on that particular play. I agree with several posters who said that once Marmol chewed him out face to face, there was no need to go public later on. We have a team with a lot of talent; what we don't need is a dysfunctional clubhouse situation.
I agree, he could have gone faster and probably should have. My best explanation is a mix of not wanting to re-injure the hammy and slowing into third nit expecting to be waved home (because it was actually crazy to send him). Either way, no problem with Oli addressing it and telling TON he has to do better, and even benching him for next game (without explaining to media the reason). My problem is with making it public and even continuing to comment on it and trash the player the next day. Oli had multiple chances to diffuse the situation and instead used every opportunity to amplify this in the media. Just mind boggling really.
I understand what you are saying but I think professionals should WANT to score. They should have the attitude they are going to try and score unless the coach tells them not to. TON should have been sprinting as hard as he could, cutting the corner on the 3rd base bag and going all out.
He's not the only player to have taken a more conservative approach, just the most recent one. To some degree Oli is using him as the whipping boy sending a message to the whole locker room to up their effort.
Yesterday it was mentioned that TON looked back at the fielder. I hate that. I've seen players do it for decades. As a kid I was told not to turn my head and look. I don't understand why people who have been in the system: Little League, Traveling teams, High School, College, Minors and now the Majors. Most of them have played for at least 10 years and they still don't know they shouldn't look when they are running unless the play is in front of them?
Dee_4_Three_83
- Mahomet, IL
I support Oli's public statement. Only the people involved know the full reasoning behind whether something goes public or not. I have a suspicion that this wasn't the first time TON's effort was called into question.
He's a young manager that's trying to maintain a high expectation. TON will sit until they can get on the same page.
And for those that think Albert or Yadi got away with it some times, I would say you are correct. Did it affect the outcome of the play? Probably not. Also, Tyler's not a hall of famer and he's still got wheels.
He's a young manager that's trying to maintain a high expectation. TON will sit until they can get on the same page.
And for those that think Albert or Yadi got away with it some times, I would say you are correct. Did it affect the outcome of the play? Probably not. Also, Tyler's not a hall of famer and he's still got wheels.
You are correct when you say Marmol is a young manager. My question to management and ownership is: Why does this organization continue to hire inexperienced major league managers?
Tony LaRussa might be available.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Cardinals rookie Jordan Walker follows advice to 'calm down' during his first week
Cardinals rookie phenom Jordan Walker has thrived in his first six games in the major leagues. His first home run came in his sixth game.
Lynn Worthy
Jordan Walker didn’t take his first week in the major leagues for granted. The Cardinals’ 20-year-old, 6-foot-6 rookie outfielder with the magnetic smile made sure to soak in those once-in-a-lifetime moments and held onto cherished keepsakes from that first whirlwind week.
He’s also never lost track of the fact that he’s still just at the beginning of what will be a daily battle.
“It’s been difficult, for sure,” Walker said of the adjustment to facing major-league pitching. “They keep changing their game plan, whether it’s barraging you with fastballs or a lot off-speed, sliders, things like that. I’m going to have to keep adjusting to whatever their plan is for me. That’s just how the game goes.”
Through his first six games, Walker has gone 8-for-24 (.333) with two doubles, a home run, five RBIs, a stolen base and three strikeouts. He has hit safely in each of the first six games of his major-league career as the Cardinals (2-4) reached the off day on Thursday. They’ll begin their first road trip of the season Friday in Milwaukee.
I am not advocating the return of Larussa. However, he came from outside the organization. He had prior big league experience. And he won 2 World Series as the Cardinal manager. When he resigned Mike Matheny was given what was essentially a championship team. I think at some level this organization might benefit from outside the organization perspective. Apparently St. Louis has a very good scouting operation which can identify quality everyday prospects. As some p[oint in the near future hopefully the stars will align with another World Series championship.
This 20 year old amazes me already. Besides his baseball skills, he knows what to say and how to say it. He is quickly becoming a fan favorite. His parents obviously did a good job.Cardinals rookie Jordan Walker follows advice to 'calm down' during his first week
Cardinals rookie phenom Jordan Walker has thrived in his first six games in the major leagues. His first home run came in his sixth game.
Lynn Worthy
Jordan Walker didn’t take his first week in the major leagues for granted. The Cardinals’ 20-year-old, 6-foot-6 rookie outfielder with the magnetic smile made sure to soak in those once-in-a-lifetime moments and held onto cherished keepsakes from that first whirlwind week.
He’s also never lost track of the fact that he’s still just at the beginning of what will be a daily battle.
“It’s been difficult, for sure,” Walker said of the adjustment to facing major-league pitching. “They keep changing their game plan, whether it’s barraging you with fastballs or a lot off-speed, sliders, things like that. I’m going to have to keep adjusting to whatever their plan is for me. That’s just how the game goes.”
Through his first six games, Walker has gone 8-for-24 (.333) with two doubles, a home run, five RBIs, a stolen base and three strikeouts. He has hit safely in each of the first six games of his major-league career as the Cardinals (2-4) reached the off day on Thursday. They’ll begin their first road trip of the season Friday in Milwaukee.
I think part of the reason for the inexperienced managers is because when TLR was here he was THE MAN. I think Mozeliak wants to be THE MAN now and ownership probably supports him in this because Mozeliak has done reasonably good job and DeWitt trusts him. Oh and inexperienced managers cost less than living legends.
I have to agree. Hiring Matheny made no sense at all. No doubt Mike's a great guy. The problem I had was that he had managed or coached at any level.
Shildt and Marmol didn't have experience as MLB managers but at least they managed in the minors.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
I just watched Jimmy " The Cat " Hayes on the pre-game show do an interview with Jordan Walker.........I have to give a shout out to Nuke Dukem for having a spot on post earlier this afternoon about Walker..................So impressive for only 20 yrs old......Said the first home run ball was definitely going to his Dad.........Got a great personality and mature way beyond his 20 yrs age.........
said he was cutting down on his swing sometimes to make sure he puts hard contact on the ball.....He's tied for first in all of the NL with 10 or 11 batted balls with over 100 mph velocity off the bat.........
Will be a lot of fun to follow him throughout his career......It really really will..................
said he was cutting down on his swing sometimes to make sure he puts hard contact on the ball.....He's tied for first in all of the NL with 10 or 11 batted balls with over 100 mph velocity off the bat.........
Will be a lot of fun to follow him throughout his career......It really really will..................
viking6888
Greeley, Colorado
https://redbirdrants.com/2020/01/04... hired,General Manager for the Cardinals.This is a few years old it's a good article
Just think, instead of Matheney we could have hired Terry Francona. As far as misses go, that's a big one.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Cardinals whiff on gifts, get blanked as Brewers blitz to sixth consecutive victory
Jack Flaherty dances around six walks to give the Cardinals a chance, though they miss twice with the bases loaded and lose 4-0. First shutout of season.
Derrick Goold
MILWAUKEE — There was not the major clattering event that doomed the Cardinals in their first meeting with a division rival this season, but instead a concert of minor misses.
Twice the Cardinals had the bases loaded and twice they failed to send home a run. Twice Milwaukee gave the Cardinals a gift of a hit or opportunity, and twice they failed to capitalize. At end of all these misspent chances, the Cardinals had not scored once.
In their first road game of the regular season, the Cardinals collected their first shutout of 2023. Milwaukee right-hander Brandon Woodruff piloted the Brewers through the first 5 1/3 innings of a 4-0 victory Friday night at American Family Field. Doing what the Cardinals did not by piecing together a run here or a run there when they could, the Brewers upped their winning streak to six consecutive games while keeping the Cardinals looking for a foothold in a week that’s gone sideways.
Jack Flaherty (1-1) continued to pitch around walks not power beyond them, though for a second consecutive outing he found ways to minimize trouble. The Brewers got 10 baserunners against the Cardinals’ right-hander yet only scored two runs — and one came on sacrifice fly. The Brewers’ doubled their offense against the Cardinals’ bullpen.
this team hurts my head
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