St Louis Cardinals 2023
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pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Cardinals with a great come from behind win.......could be a season changing win , at least it builds some positive momentum.....and we sure need some after the poor results from the rotation so far........Tomorrow is a 1:30 start so lets go Cardinals....
THAT'S A WINNER !!!!!!
THAT'S A WINNER !!!!!!
Early in the season and not down about it. Messing around with lineups and still waiting on a few guys to return full time.
Not really sure if I can jinx it based on results so far for Mikolas this season...has plenty of time to turn it around. Hoping this is not the same thing that happened when the Cardinals extended Matt Carpenter for 2 years and didn't need to and then he fell off bad. Cardinals love those short term contracts with more money and sometimes they backfire. Time to rock and fire for Mikolas....
Not really sure if I can jinx it based on results so far for Mikolas this season...has plenty of time to turn it around. Hoping this is not the same thing that happened when the Cardinals extended Matt Carpenter for 2 years and didn't need to and then he fell off bad. Cardinals love those short term contracts with more money and sometimes they backfire. Time to rock and fire for Mikolas....
couldn't agree more.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Cardinals got 'punched in the mouth.' How an error and a walk helped get back their bite
MVP Paul Goldschmidt works a bases-loaded walk to set up Nolan Arenado for three-run double that flips game, reassures Cardinals in 9-6 victory at Coors.
Derrick Goold
DENVER — Way back toward the beginning of his career in the majors, Paul Goldschmidt saw how some pulse-racing situations could trap a hitter, lure batters out of their mindset with the carrot of delivering that big, dramatic winner. He decided to try a different approach when both the pressure and bases were packed.
“I just imagine there’s no one on base,” Goldschmidt said.
That was the thought he carried from the on-deck circle to the batter’s box in the seventh inning Tuesday night at Coors Field. A fielding error prolonged the inning on Colorado and put a third teammate on base for the reigning National League MVP. Instead of being out of the inning, the Rockies were in a bind. They paused to bring in a new pitcher, right-hander Dinelson Lamet, to challenge Goldschmidt with sliders. More than a game hung on those pitches.
The Cardinals, socked by Colorado’s five-run inning, trailed by a bunch of runs, again. The game, like the road trip, was listing, again. They had a chance right there with the bases loaded and two outs to reverse momentum in a spot where they had failed, again and again.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Minor league report: Cardinals prospect Gordon Graceffo spins four hitless innings, K's six
Gordon Graceffo did not allow a hit and worked around two walks while striking out six batters during his start for Class AAA Memphis on Tuesday.
Making his second start at the Class AAA level, Cardinals pitching prospect Gordon Graceffo spun four hitless innings and struck out six batters in Memphis’ road series opener against Atlanta’s Class AAA affiliate, Gwinnett, on Tuesday.
Graceffo escaped trouble in the second inning after he loaded the bases with one out after walking two batters and hitting another. The former fifth-round Cardinals’ pick in the 2021 MLB draft avoided damage with back-to-back swinging strikeouts to end the inning — the first via a slider and the second on a 96 mph fastball.
The outing comes after Graceffo, 23, surrendered three runs on seven hits across four innings during his Class AAA debut on April 6. He had just one strikeout in that start.
Along with Graceffo’s hitless start, these are some of Tuesday’s notable minor league performances around the Cardinals affiliates:
edit : DeJong with a 1-13 start with 3 K's in 4 AB's yesterday.........the pain , the pain....make it go away.....
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pruman91
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Tipsheet: Liberatore follows impressive spring training with strong Memphis start
The Cardinals need better starting pitching, so Matthew Liberatore's strong early showing at Memphis has been timely.
While the Cardinals suffered a disappointing start at the major league level, the organization remains in solid shape overall.
Starting pitcher Matthew Liberatore followed an encouraging spring showing (two earned runs allowed in 10 innings, nine strikeouts, one walk) by throwing 10 scoreless innings in two starts for Triple-A Memphis.
Opponents are hitting just .200 against him
Baseball America ranked the Memphis Redbirds as the No. 7-most talented minor league team. Josh Norris explained why:
The best arm on the Redbirds’ roster can be found on the infield, not on the mound. That’s because they have Masyn Winn, a man with a railgun hanging from his shoulder, playing shortstop. St. Louis has shown its faith in Winn by placing him at Triple-A at just 20 years old. Memphis’ next-best arm and second Top 100 prospect is lefty Matthew Liberatore, who has been stellar out of the gate and has touched 98 with his fastball. Right-handers Gordon Graceffo and Guillermo Zuñiga are worth keeping your eyes on as well.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Nolan Arenado delivers pivotal double to get Cardinals out of trouble, upend Rockies
Cardinals score final seven runs of the game to erase Rockies' big lead and, at least momentarily, calm their turbulent start with a 9-6 victory Tuesday at Coors.
Derrick Goold
DENVER — He didn’t start the game. He just effectively finished it.
Off the bench, Nolan Gorman launched a ninth-inning pitch into the seats to complete the Cardinals’ rally from another rickety road game to resurgent, late-inning showing against Colorado at Coors Field. Gorman’s solo homer on the first pitch of the ninth inning shattered a tie game and sent the Cardinals toward a 9-6 victory Tuesday night.
They scored the final seven runs of the game.
Nolan Arenado, whose name appears in the hallways of Coors Field as one of Colorado’s brightest stars, hoisted the Cardinals back into the game with a bases-clearing double. His three-RBI liner into the left-field corner exploited a key Colorado error and tied the game, 6-6, after the Cardinals had spent the middle innings doing what they’ve done most this season — playing from behind.
With the lead, closer Ryan Helsley faced the tying run at the plate with no outs before retiring the next three Rockies in a row for his second save of the season.
Been away from the board a couple days and man, it's crazy to me how much so many Cardinals fans actively and irrationally hate O'Neill. It was the same thing with Bader. Publically rooting for the guy to get traded when you could just as easily root for him to get hot at the plate. I'll never understand it.
Anyway, there are 3 guys on the roster right now that have hit 30 dingers in a season before and this guy is one of them:
This bomb today tied things up, go Cards!
Anyway, there are 3 guys on the roster right now that have hit 30 dingers in a season before and this guy is one of them:
This bomb today tied things up, go Cards!
I don't think a lot on here hate O'Neill at all....most perspectives taken on him is blown out of proportion
I like O'Neill....same time the world is not going to end for me if they trade him. Certain players for the Cardinals and the word "potential" get thrown around each year. O'Neill can change a game with one swing.....good or bad. I root for all that wear a Cardinals jersey. Same time there are players I would rather have at certain positions and some of the OF spots between last season and this season I still feel the same way. Last season management was banking on a few guys besides Arenado and Goldy....same this season and I do think we have more pieces around them.
Pitchers love a home plate umpire like today....at least consistent with calling pitches way outside strikes 
BillyBob1
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And the Colorado dugout giving him grief about strike calls.Pitchers love a home plate umpire like today....at least consistent with calling pitches way outside strikes
I’m not hearing any of hate for Tyler O’Neill either. Calling out a guy for lack of hustle one time for one play is not hate. Just “callin’ like you see ‘em.” TON has more physical ability than all but a very few players on the team. I just hope he can show us 2021 is who he is and maybe lay off the slider 12” off the plate. And if he doesn’t…… well look around. The Cardinals have outfielders but need starting pitching. Someone is get moved and it won’t be Walker.
Edit: I was a big Bader fan but you gotta give something to get something.
Edit: I was a big Bader fan but you gotta give something to get something.
So we just going to pretend you gleefully call out every bad AB by every player? Nobody looks good when they strike out and everyone in the majors has embarrassing strikeouts. Here are some embarrassing strikeouts from some of my favorite current Cardinals. Hope the front office can see past this and not trade them!
It's possible TON gets traded, that's the business. But if he does, that means he didn't turn things around (otherwise we wouldn't trade him). Which also means we will be selling low on him, and his trade value, with just 1.5 years of team control (around time of trade deadline), would be limited. In that scenario he's not going to bring an ace unless we package him with a top prospect like Winn or Hence. We saw what the Reds got for Castillo last season. Top prospects - that's what teams want for ace pitcher. I just don't think any Cards fan should be celebrating or hoping for a scenario where we sell low on a ballplayer with TON's talent in order to add another 3/4 starter.
If TON gets traded it is likely because he can't stay healthy or they don't think he will for a full season on a consistent basis
He strikes out at a super high rate but his hard contact is also real good. Typical power guy that fans will look past the awful looking Ks more often that not if he can put up 25+ HRs each year plus above average wheels. Just one of those guys that fans cringe at because any game they are afraid he might get hurt.
Excited if TON can make it a full season....same time only has 1 time in his first 5 seasons. If they want to give him more time off that is fine but need to consistently see 130+ games a season out of him for him to contribute to this team as a full time starter.
He strikes out at a super high rate but his hard contact is also real good. Typical power guy that fans will look past the awful looking Ks more often that not if he can put up 25+ HRs each year plus above average wheels. Just one of those guys that fans cringe at because any game they are afraid he might get hurt.
Excited if TON can make it a full season....same time only has 1 time in his first 5 seasons. If they want to give him more time off that is fine but need to consistently see 130+ games a season out of him for him to contribute to this team as a full time starter.
Dude. Who gleefully called out every bad AB by every player? I never said I wanted TON traded. I said I hoped the 2021 version is who he is. You showed AB by Goldy, Arenado, and Walker. If O’Neill was even close to Goldy or Arenado we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Walker is 20 yrs old. He has all the tools. No way is he getting traded this season. Neither is Goldy or Arenado but somebody will.
That's my point. Every player has bad ABs and embarrassing strikeouts from time to time, even the three guys I posted who are (and should be) untouchable. But as far as I can tell you've only singled out one guy:
You go ahead and fan the way you're gonna fan, I just think it's a bad look. Tons of posts on this thread about trading TON and (and Hicks) for starting pitching, let's not pretend they're not there. The funny thing is any starting pitching we get for guys like that is going to be more of what we have (mid to late rotation arms) and not what we actually need (ace). Teams trading away ace pitching are teams giving up on the playoff hunt. They don't want major leaguers with 1 or 2 years of team control, they want prospects or young major leaguers with 4+ years of control.
I see this all the time and I think it's greatly exaggerated.
One of those seasons was Covid 2020. The Cards played 58 games. TON played in 50 of them. I don't think it makes sense to count that against him.
His rookie year, 2018, he spent as much time in AAA as in the majors. Played a total 125 games. Not terrible.
So probably fair to say two seasons with significant time lost to injuries. 2019, in which he played 107 games between AAA and majors and last season in which he played 96 games.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Tipsheet: Jordan Walker's hitting aggression boosts Cardinals' offense
Jordan Walker is looking to attack pitchers in his first big league spin. So far his aggressive approach has paid off.
Cardinals rookie Jordan Walker hasn’t really gone on a hitting tear yet.
Sure, he’s launched a couple of bombs. And the exit velocities of balls off of his bat have remained consistently high.
But here’s the most impressive thing about his 12-game hitting streak to begin his career: He just finds ways to scratch out hits, as a veteran hitter would.
And he’s 20 years old.
Walker tied “Honest” Eddie Murphy's record – longest hitting streak to start a career by a player 20 years old or younger – set a century ago. He did so by just grinding away at bat to at bat.
And he skipped over Triple-A baseball to get here.
As Derrick Goold reported, Walker takes a veteran's approach to his daily work routine. That has paid off with a consistent and successful approach at the plate.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Minor league report: Cardinals prospect Masyn Winn homers, Matthew Liberatore strikes out 10
Masyn Winn’s home run against Gwinnett was the first at the Class AAA level, while Matthew Liberatore’s 10 strikeouts were his most Aug. 7.
A day after snapping a one-for-12 stretch with a two-hit day and a pair of RBIs on Tuesday, Cardinals prospect Masyn Winn continued to find consistency at the plate. On Wednesday, that came in the form of a the 21-year-old shortstop prospect's first Class AAA homer, a two-run homer to left field, as a part of a three-for-six, two-RBI game.
The three-hit game matched a season-high through his first 11 games into the MiLB season. He previously produced three hits in an April 4 contest. He is batting .227 with a .661 OPS in his first 44 at-bats of 2023.
Along with Winn’s multi-hit game, these are some of Wednesday’s notable performances from Cardinals minor leaguers:
Shortstop Masyn Winn, Class AAA Memphis: Winn’s homer traveled 339 feet and came off former Cardinals farmhand Domingo Robles. The shortstop prospect’s other two hits were singles and both came against the left-handed throwing Robles. One of the two singles Winn connected on registered a 101.1 mph exit velocity, per statcast.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Cardinals power past Colorado to avoid rocky road trip; Jordan Walker keeps streak alive
Three homers include Nolan Gorman's tiebreaker in eighth. Walker ties a 111-year-old record with a hit in his 12th consecutive game to become only the second player age 20 or
Derrick Goold
DENVER — Leave it to a Nolan to find a way to win in Colorado.
A day after Nolan Arenado reanimated the Cardinals with a three-run double, Nolan Gorman shattered a tie game in the eighth inning Wednesday with a home run. Gorman’s second homer in as many days at Coors Field catapulted the Cardinals ahead for a 7-4 victory against the Rockies in a taut afternoon game and rollicking finish to a bumpy road trip.
The Cardinals hit three home runs to tie the game, get ahead and then get ahead again to win the three-game series.
Tyler O’Neill’s first homer since opening day answered the Rockies’ early lead. Arenado’s two-run shot in the fourth broke a midgame tie. From there, a couple of kids took over. In the eighth, Gorman hit a two-out, two-run homer to the opposite field that broke a 4-4 tie. The Cardinals extended their lead in the ninth when Jordan Walker matched history with a hit in his 12th consecutive game to start his career. He raced around to score the Cardinals’ seventh and final run.
He has missed time and also played with lingering issues. Thing that scares me is he has got injured in August/September 4 seasons in a row.
Last time Cardinals missed playoffs was 2018, total playoff games played by O'Neill in career 1.
2018 Left hamstring strain
2019 wrist
2020 never disclosed
2021 right groin, finger two different times, back
2022 shoulder, hamstring, leg, neck and hamstring again
Injuries happen unfortunately....this forum is being very nice about it. Still in his prime at 27(28 this summer) but it does worry me with his injury history so far if he can be a consistent MLB player and also play when it counts. He has had one real good season and the team needs that production to take the next step.
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