St Louis Cardinals 2023
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that sums up this season, finding new ways to lose on a weekly basisAre the Cardinals the only team in MLB right now that could combine 8 hits with 6 walks and still not score a run? 0-9 with risp!
First, we have people in this thread complaining that Arenado should have pinch hit Thursday night in a game that was a scheduled day off for him (He was 4 for his last 31 prior to that game so he clearly needed a break). Now, we have people complaining about a pitcher being pulled too early in what was a scheduled bullpen game to begin with. I sure with this fanbase could make up their minds on things.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Cardinals’ Zack Thompson flashes his potential in a truncated spot start against Rockies
Cardinals left-hander Zack Thompson makes a strong pitch for consideration for the 2024 starting rotation with his outing against the Rockies.
A day of missed opportunities for the Cardinals in a 1-0 series-ending loss to the Rockies
The Cardinals lost their first series at home to the Colorado Rockies since 2009, and they were held scoreless by a former Cardinal.
socalini
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If we, as a collective "fanbase" all had the same opinions, I'm pretty sure we would be the only such fanbase. I just believe in playing to win and adjusting on the fly. The concept of a "bullpen game" escapes me. If a young pitcher is pitching a gem of a game in a bullpen game, I feel like you take that opportunity to let him show what he's got; see how far he can take it. We're in the midst of a lost season, but it's also a great opportunity to take some risks and see what we have moving forward.
100%
It is fine to be critical or have a different opinion.....we are all GMs
"Bullpen game" happens a ton these days and random teams implement it more than others. There is also a little background to Thompson being pulled after a good performance. He pitched 3 days prior in one inning of work and threw 18 pitches in addition to his 60 pitch performance. Majority of his max pitch counts this season are in the 70s-80s in the minors and it carries over with his work load. If they decide to keep him in the rotation and give him 4-5 days off for example than I think they should increase his pitch count in future starts(depending upon performance).
Different people have different opinions. As you obviously can attest to.
As far as PH for Motter, it didn't have to be Arenado. TON was available too. Do you have any idea how many players pinch hit on their day off? League wide I am sure it is hundreds every year.
If Arenado was asked to PH, it would not have destroyed his "day off chi". I think attempting to tie the game use TON, In a game winning situation you want Arenado.
As far as pulling Thompson, it was a shame he was looking good. However I did not advocate for him staying in the game. Nevertheless, switching pitchers had nothing to do with the outcome.
So, if you tie it and don't win it in the bottom of the 9th, then you burn two players as you're not going to have TON play 3rd in the 10th.
Don't get hung up on all of it. Players make an out 65-70% of the time. But that's better than 80% of the time. St Louis is a last place team. Odds are not very good that they would have won the game. All I and others asked was that they put one of the players out there who has a better chance of succeeding. Not the player that had the penultimate chance to succeed. (He would have been followed by Fermin who had the worst chance. Who knows what might have happened.) Had TON reached base, perhaps they would have brought Gorman up to hit for Fermin. He can play 3rd as well. Then Nomar would have gotten his precious rest. If you would have asked him I am sure he would have wanted to play. The Cards would have still lost but they would have used two players that have a better chance of succeeding than Motter and Fermin.
Bernie Miklacz had a stat last week. So this is out of date. Since July 23 Motter had the same number of at bats as Carlson. And more at bats than Gorman and Contreras. There was 1 other player. However, his name escapes me right now.
I know what the Cardinals are doing but since he is up Motter was the fill in guy for moves/injuries. Donovan got shut down end of July, Edman came back from injury in the last week and DeJong got traded. Not a Motter fan but know the drill until the next step.....
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Tipsheet: Cardinals had it rough this year, but at least they're not the White Sox
When a team goes off the rails, things can get ugly. The Chicago White Sox proved that. At least the Cardinals did not sunk to that level of team chaos.
JoJo Romero already appears to be carving out a role in the Cardinals’ bullpen in 2024
Left-hander JoJo Romero was thrust into a more prominent relief role after the Cardinals' trade deadline moves, and he has largely thrived.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
lol............we both knew what was gonna happen when Pallante came in , didn't we ??................
Cardinals Prospect Baker is Having Breakout Season
The St. Louis Cardinals prospect Luken Baker is having a breakout season that isn't being talked about enough.
theforkball.com
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
The following quote is from the comments section of the article about TON being scratched from tonight's lineup......................
rightthinker4
51 minutes ago
" I was shocked that TO was scratched from the lineup. He’s been so durable…for the past 10 days. "
LOL.........................................I really really did ..................
rightthinker4
51 minutes ago
" I was shocked that TO was scratched from the lineup. He’s been so durable…for the past 10 days. "
LOL.........................................I really really did ..................
When I heard he was scratched, I was hoping he was traded
Cardinals Prospect Baker is Having Breakout Season
The St. Louis Cardinals prospect Luken Baker is having a breakout season that isn't being talked about enough.
They can use him as trade bait to get more pitching help in the offseason.
Exactly
Left knee tightness and day-to-day
Cardinals seriously need to package TON in a trade package this offseason. Injury bug and relying him to stay healthy and play meaningful games is not worth his potential
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Cardinals’ lack of support leaves Miles Mikolas vulnerable to Tampa Bay’s comeback win
Backed only by Nolan Arenado's solo homer, Mikolas returns from suspension and carries game into eighth inning before Rays ride singles to 4-2 victory.
Gordo: Tampa Bay Rays offer a master class in scouting and acquiring talent
The Rays maximize payroll efficiency by investing in a few key players while seeking bargains at every other turn.
It's getting ridiculous at this point. They need to trade him for anything they can get at this point.
Too late this season. Must wait.
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