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I've been listening to a rebroadcast of the 1946 World Series. St Louis vs Boston performed by John Rayburn.

I rented it on Hoopla.
https://www.hoopladigital.com/

You can get it on Audible too.
https://www.audible.com/pd/1946-St-...eativeId=0d6f6720-f41c-457e-a42b-8c8dceb62f2c

It's interesting to hear some of the differences between the game in the 40's and today's game. Several times the team that was losing allowed their pitcher to bat in the 6th or 7th inning.

They never ever talked about pitch counts.

The winning pitcher in 5 of the first 6 games pitched a complete game. Howie Pollet pitched the full 10 innings in the first game. And lost. So a total of 6 CG games in the series. No closers of course.

It was more of a pitchers duel than I would have thought. 2 shutouts. A one run game. A two run game. 5 times one of the two teams scored three runs. Twice that was the winning team. Three times a team scored three runs. They won each time. There were only two blow outs sort of. Boston won 4-0. Cards 12-3

There were more errors than I expected. Pesky had 4. Marty Marion 2 Red Schoendienst had 1.

In tiny Fenway and Sportsman Park, there were only a combined 5 HRs. St Louis hit only 1.

Other interesting tidbits. Bill Zuber was the first (only?) Amish major league player. A lot of comments about players who miss time due to World War 2. One of the Boston players played for the Phil A's but he worked in a war time factory. He only played in games on weekends when the team was playing games that were "close".
 
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There were more errors than I expected. Pesky had 4. Marty Marion 2 Red Schoendienst had 1.

Fielding percentages in MLB have been rising gradually for years. It was .971 back in 1946 and MLB set a new record in 2022 at .985.
 
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Fielding percentages in MLB have been rising gradually for years. It was .971 back in 1946 and MLB set a new record in 2022 at .985.
Did any of that in the last few years have to deal with the shifts in play for the defense? Seems like the less you have to move for the ball the better the fielding position.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky

Derrick Goold
JUPITER, Fla. — A baseball game was going on Sunday afternoon and their teammates were doing baseball things in it when Adam Wainwright, already two starts into his spring training, leaned over in the dugout to ask Jack Flaherty a question.
“Have you played baseball yet this spring?” the vet grinned.
“I was like, ‘Yeah, it’s been a while,’” Flaherty recalled.
After one appearance on the back field and two postponements of his first start, Flaherty had a better answer for Wainwright on Monday afternoon after his first Grapefruit League start of spring training. He played baseball — and it sure went well.
Against a lineup dotted with defending World Series champions, Flaherty’ pitched three solid innings, struck out five and caught two batters looking at strike-three fastballs. The one hit and one run he allowed came on the same swing — a homer in the second inning — and he retired the next six Astros he faced. His final pitch was his swiftest one, at 95.2 mph, and it barnstormed past three-time batting champ Jose Altuve’s swing for a strikeout. Flaherty walked off the mound the way he stood on it: with comfort his teammates read as confidence.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky

Lynn Worthy
JUPITER, Fla. — Cardinals left-hander Steven Matz, who made his first “start” of the spring in a simulated game on the back field at the Cardinals’ complex, looked dominant in his three-inning outing against the Houston Astros at Roger Dean Stadium on Monday afternoon.
Matz pitched in relief of starter Jack Flaherty, and Matz held the Astros without a hit or a walk and got through three innings on just 39 pitches (27 strikes).
Matz, the lone member of the projected starting rotation under contract past this season, showed off a fastball that reached 95 miles per hour and complemented that heater with a curveball and changeup. He got batters to swing and miss on all three of his offerings.

“I was happy with it,” Matz said of the outing. “I was happy with the execution of pitches. I was able to get some outs. We’re not always focused on results at this point. You really want to (focus on) stuff you’re working on. I was happy, really, with everything.”
 
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Fielding percentages in MLB have been rising gradually for years. It was .971 back in 1946 and MLB set a new record in 2022 at .985.
There were several plays where the ball ticked off the tip of the infielder's glove and I thought, "That wouldn't have happened today with the larger mitts."
 
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Did any of that in the last few years have to deal with the shifts in play for the defense? Seems like the less you have to move for the ball the better the fielding position.

One of the things Rayburn mentioned time and time again was that the Cleveland manager, Lou Boudreau created the "Williams Shift" for hall of famer Ted Williams. At the start of the series St Lou used the extreme version with the 3rd baseman almost on second base. After Ted bunted down the third base line they modified it and he was near the ss position. The ss was still on the right side but he was closer to second base.
 
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Did any of that in the last few years have to deal with the shifts in play for the defense? Seems like the less you have to move for the ball the better the fielding position.
I wasn't sure what the infield and outfield average fielding percentage are before and after the shifts in the past few years

Not sure how some of you feel but have watched a number of plays that should be errors and the official scorer labeled it as a hit or instead of fielding and throwing error on same play a hit and error, etc.
 
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I wasn't sure what the infield and outfield average fielding percentage are before and after the shifts in the past few years

Not sure how some of you feel but have watched a number of plays that should be errors and the official scorer labeled it as a hit or instead of fielding and throwing error on same play a hit and error, etc.

I don’t think fielding percentage is affected by shifts. The number of fielding chances will go up or down depending on scouting, positioning, the quality of the players involved, etc., but the percentage of those chances being converted to outs has been on a steady gradual increase up from the late 19th century to today.

Wpr mentioned the better equipment, which I’m sure is a factor.

I also think the fields have been kept in better condition as the years have gone on - fewer bad hops - and - especially in the outfield - are less idiosyncratically configured from park to park.

I also think the fielders have gotten better, more athletic, and maybe most importantly, bigger. The 6’2” shortstop reaches the ball that deflected off the glove of the 5’10” shortstop.
 
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I don’t think fielding percentage is affected by shifts. The number of fielding chances will go up or down depending on scouting, positioning, the quality of the players involved, etc., but the percentage of those chances being converted to outs has been on a steady gradual increase up from the late 19th century to today.

Wpr mentioned the better equipment, which I’m sure is a factor.

I also think the fields have been kept in better condition as the years have gone on - fewer bad hops - and - especially in the outfield - are less idiosyncratically configured from park to park.

I also think the fielders have gotten better, more athletic, and maybe most importantly, bigger. The 6’2” shortstop reaches the ball that deflected off the glove of the 5’10” shortstop.

I agree with all the factors you both mentioned

I don't have any factual background from shifts but if you have a SS and 2B on the same side in past years it likely decreases the chance of an error by the ground you have to cover.

The game evolves over time as well....Does anyone know if the official scorer marked errors easier/harder before we were all born as well? There is some bias today, would be interested if knowing that extent back in that time. A ball can literally drop in front of a guy and instead of sliding/diving/trying half the time it is just a base hit since the fielder didn't touch it.
 
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Gill I think it has always been ruled a hit if the fielder didn't touch the ball. In the 40's the manager may have kicked his rump in front of God and everyone. Today the player would probably get a memo. Or at worst, an unfriendly tweet.
 
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Gill I think it has always been ruled a hit if the fielder didn't touch the ball. In the 40's the manager may have kicked his rump in front of God and everyone. Today the player would probably get a memo. Or at worst, an unfriendly tweet.
Yeah I think so as well


I remember Dickerson had a multi hit game last season(on the road) where one of his hits clearly was an error and the official scorer marked it as a hit. Trying to remember the team but it was an obvious error and just stuck with me. Wonder what the official scorers were like way back when.....as you can see I am ready for baseball :ROFLMAO:
 
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Yeah I think so as well


I remember Dickerson had a multi hit game last season(on the road) where one of his hits clearly was an error and the official scorer marked it as a hit. Trying to remember the team but it was an obvious error and just stuck with me. Wonder what the official scorers were like way back when.....as you can see I am ready for baseball :ROFLMAO:
I am assuming that if the players, managers and umps were all hard nosed get in your face guys, give no quarter, the scorers were as well.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky

TAMPA, Fla. — With only a few more pitches to spend, a scoreless tie to hold and a former MVP plate at the plate, Cardinals right-hander Jake Woodford got the moment he has prepared for so many times on the back fields of spring training and never got the opportunity.
Yankees clean-up hitter Giancarlo Stanton, jammed by a two-strike sinker, hit Woodford’s pitch up but not high enough to go far enough for anyone other than the pitcher to catch.

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nice article about Woodford.........With his new and improved pitch , I hope he can stick with the Cardinals when the real games start......I think he has earned it .................JMHO
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky

JUPITER, Fla. — The Cardinals slugged their way to a third consecutive win on Friday night. Half of their 10 hits were extra-base hits, including three home runs, in a 7-5 win over the New York Mets in front of an announced 6,175 at Roger Dean Stadium.
Second baseman Brendan Donovan, first baseman Juan Yepez and shortstop Masyn Winn each hit home runs, while Yepez enjoyed a four-RBI game. Outfielder and top prospect Jordan Walker went 2 for 4 with a run scored, and he’s now batting .438 this spring.
Cardinals starting pitcher Jordan Montgomery allowed two runs on three hits and one walk in four innings, and he also struck out four batters in his second Grapefruit League outing.

Donovan led off the game with his second home run against the Mets this spring, his fourth home run of the Grapefruit League season, and gave the Cardinals an early edge. Donovan’s smash traveled an estimated 409 feet, and it came off the bat with an exit velocity of 103 miles per hour.

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I getting really excited aboot the upcoming MLB season......................I really really am.................
 
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viking6888

Greeley, Colorado

Cardinals Top Prospect Jordan Walker Leaves Game With Injury​

 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Is it feasible to assess Jordan Walker as the Cardinals thinking he COULD be like Aaron Judge.........Similar builds and from what that clip up above stated , sound's fast as hell , 29 feet PER SECOND ...................WHOA NELLIE !!!!!

All the years I have been a Cardinals fan , a true power hitter has always been on my wish list going back to Stan " the man " Musial,
then Cepada , Richie Allen , for a short time , and a few others with Albert Pujols as the standard to me ......I don't want to list them all , but a true power hitter at age 20 with speed to boot has me smiling from ear to ear.............

LETS GO CARDINALS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky

Derrick Goold

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A blunt reminder of the possible twists, turns, and unexpected detours ahead for the Cardinals and their roster decisions came in the first inning Saturday as megawatt prospect Jordan Walker gathered himself after a hard slide into second base.
With two outs in the top of the first inning, Walker sprinted to outrun a groundball and drew a wild throw to first base. He turned to second to capitalize on the error and slid in, headfirst, before the throw. In the process he jarred his right shoulder and would leave the spring training game soon thereafter. The Cardinals’ initial diagnosis was a muscle strain in that shoulder, and Walker will undergo additional tests and evaluation Sunday morning.

“Not overly concerned,” manager Oliver Marmol said after the Cardinals’ 3-2 loss to Houston at the Ballpark of the Palm Beaches. “Day to day.”
 
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NEIlliniFan

No longer in New England
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky

Ben Frederickson
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — One is a 22-year-old, linebacker-looking, left-handed power hitter from the desert of Arizona.
The other is a 26-year-old, rangy right-handed pitcher from right down here in Florida.
One would normally have to search hard to find a good reason to compare second baseman and designated hitter Nolan Gorman and pitcher Jake Woodford, at least beyond the obvious fact that both play baseball for the Cardinals.
Until now.
Since he was promoted to the big chair entering last season, Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol has often explained how he waits to see how a player responds to frustration or failure.

For a manager who can get as far off in the baseball weeds as namedropping a metric that refers to how the spin of a baseball can increase the deceptiveness of its path to the plate — “seam shifted wake” was the phrase referenced Tuesday — Marmol also is sure to leave plenty of room for something easier to define but not necessarily easier to solve: resolve.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky

JUPITER, Fla. — The parent company of Cardinals broadcast partner Bally Sports Midwest and numerous other regional sports networks that carry Major League Baseball to millions of fans filed for bankruptcy protection late Tuesday night.
Diamond Sports Group, the largest owner of regional sports networks, announced that it filed for Chapter 11 protection so that it can “eliminate over $8 billion (in) outstanding debt.”
In a statement, the company says it will “continue to operate in the ordinary course” during the bankruptcy and restructuring process, and that its vast catalog of live games, such as the Blues and Cardinals on Bally Sports Midwest, will continue to be broadcast. David Preschlack, Diamond’s CEO, is quoted in the statement saying that his group’s networks “will continue broadcasting games and connecting fans across the country with the sports and teams they love.”
 
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