Definitely could a few more reliable arms there. Although if the owners go ahead with the lockout on Dec 1 I assume that will put a stop to all the signing activity until an agreement is made. Whenever that might be.
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i also wonder exactly what the rules are for a young player on the 40 man
roster but never having played in the bigs. During the lock out, could MLB
allow that guy movement to AAA (or spring training minor league camp) for
some at bats or pitching/defensive development?
Players on the 40-man fall under the MLB CBA, and therefore would be subject to the lockout and ineligible to play in the minors at all.
pruman91
- interviewing new NL's daily....I really really am
Cardinals prospect Tai Peete continues scorching fall league with 3-hit, 3-RBI game
Cardinals prospect Tai Peete produced a 3 for 4 game Monday in the Arizona Fall League that included a homer, double, three RBIs and a stolen base.
IlliniFan85
- Colorado Springs, CO
Interesting take on ESPN for Tarik Skubal
The Cardinals haven't signed a $100 million free agent since re-signing Matt Holliday in 2010, so this type of move would be out of character for them, but president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom has built a young roster with all kinds of payroll flexibility to make a big splash. According to Cot's Contracts, the Cardinals' estimated 2027 payroll sits at $66 million and the only long-term deal on the books is for JJ Wetherholt. Skubal is the kind of risk they can afford -- and need -- to take.
The Cardinals haven't signed a $100 million free agent since re-signing Matt Holliday in 2010, so this type of move would be out of character for them, but president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom has built a young roster with all kinds of payroll flexibility to make a big splash. According to Cot's Contracts, the Cardinals' estimated 2027 payroll sits at $66 million and the only long-term deal on the books is for JJ Wetherholt. Skubal is the kind of risk they can afford -- and need -- to take.
IlliniFan85
- Colorado Springs, CO
Well I hope he doesn't use the password Eckst3!n
pruman91
- interviewing new NL's daily....I really really am
Cardinals prospects Tai Peete, Tekoah Roby named Fall Stars in Arizona Fall League
Arizona Fall League success has earned Cardinals prospects Tai Peete and Tekoah Roby recognition as Fall Stars. Peete will also compete in the AFL’s Home Run Derby.
Cardinals closing in on hiring coach from White Sox as new hitting coach, per sources
Joel McKeithan was part of White Sox powerful turnaround that followed slugging to wild-card berth. He got his start at Driveline and played for Gateway Grizzlies.
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IlliniFan85
- Colorado Springs, CO
Might be unpopular to some and popular to others (who knows, everyone might hate the idea since its the internet), but I hope we trade Peete for established pitching. He seems like a good player, but you just never know with prospects, and we need pitching desperately. However, I would not make that trade until the new CBA has been signed. And I would not trade him for a pitcher with anything less than 2 years of control.Cardinals prospects Tai Peete, Tekoah Roby named Fall Stars in Arizona Fall League
Arizona Fall League success has earned Cardinals prospects Tai Peete and Tekoah Roby recognition as Fall Stars. Peete will also compete in the AFL’s Home Run Derby.www.stltoday.com
Not a bad idea at all. They will eventually need to package some prospects for pitching if they ever decide the rebuild is done and it's time to compete, and Peete does look like a guy who could be a piece of a deal like that. Prior to the draft I would have said we may be reluctant to trade him due to a dearth of CF prospects (as opposed to corner OF prospects where we have a decent supply), but drafting Trevor Condon made that less of a concern.
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
Marco Gonzalez for Tyler O'Neil was last time we tried this
Tyler could not stay healthy but was a load the one year he
Marco pitched 166, 203, 69, 143, 183 innings. Last 3 years 50 innings or less
That's actually the opposite of what he proposed. We'd be trading away an OF and getting a Pitcher if we traded Tai Peete for pitching.
And by the way Marco Gonzales was worth 8.4 WAR over 7 seasons for Seattle after that trade, while TON was worth 10.2 WAR over 6 seasons for us. We won that trade, easy.
Ryllini
- Lombard
Cardinals To Hire Joel McKeithan As Hitting Coach
The Cardinals have a new hitting coach. Head to MLB Trade Rumors for details.
www.mlbtraderumors.com
since right now we don't have a CF that can contribute offensively on a regular basis, i'd like to see
what Tai can do at the plate at AAA this year (depending on how much of a season we have and maybe
a September call up in the bigs before we trade him. i'm also not sure what his trade value is given he
was traded just 2 yeas ago and had one break out minor league season at A and AA.
regarding the hitting coach, i think they are in general over valued, svengally types. i if you look at the
numbers, I think the White Sox struck out at a far to high rate
what Tai can do at the plate at AAA this year (depending on how much of a season we have and maybe
a September call up in the bigs before we trade him. i'm also not sure what his trade value is given he
was traded just 2 yeas ago and had one break out minor league season at A and AA.
regarding the hitting coach, i think they are in general over valued, svengally types. i if you look at the
numbers, I think the White Sox struck out at a far to high rate
and the talk of a salary minimum /floor may force some of these low salary teams to pony up. so in addition to paying 2 or 3 of our young stars, we can pay a pitcher or two.
The players will never agree to a cap without a fairly substantial minimum. At a number that would make multiple teams reject a deal. Some higher level of revenue sharing would be needed to make the whole thing work.
agreed, once the cap issue with differed money is resolved, more players will benefit from a floor that covers a majority of teams, only a few (4-5 teams) that hit the cap get hurt with the current system.
Apparently, the deal currently put forth by the league includes a hard floor of $180 million (with a cap of $258 million).
That's a quite an increase for the teams at the bottom of the league. We'd basically have to double our payroll to meet it. To ratify a CBA the league needs a supermajority (75%) which means at least 23 of the 30 owners to ratify. Could be tough to find a deal that both the players and 75% of owners (particularly the cheapo owners who like being able to not spend) will agree to. But, if the league does manage to thread that needle and the owners vote for a hard floor, it's more evidence of what we already know - that the small market owners who have been crying poor for years, DeWitts included, are full of it. There is some speculation that installing a salary cap will lead to a huge increase in franchise valuations (the security of having the cap going forward is quite valuable), so maybe that plus the floor will incentivize some of the tightwad owners to vote in favor so they can cash in and sell to better owners.
I think they'll need to do some other stuff to appease the players to get it done. They'll probably have to reduce the time to arbitration and free agency, which ultimately makes sense with the hard floor. It gives smaller market teams an easy way to get to the floor by locking down promising young players. They may have to offer a higher revenue split too.
I like your comments but feel the need to point out just because one tightwad owner sells the team to someone else, that doesn't mean the new owner will be "better". It only means the new owner (probably a private equity consortium.) has money. The current owners may cash in and reap the billions but the fans may not be any better off.
I'd vote yes for that cap and floor. With those in place I would say no revenue sharing. Run your team well and you will be fine. If you can't or won't, sell the team to somebody who will, or move your team to somewhere that wants to support one. Every team can match the Dodgers with that cap and floor in place. No excuses, quit whining. Two of the cheapest but smartest teams made the series this season, what is everone else's excuse?
Of course those numbers will not pass players or owners.
You'll never get the votes for the salary floor (or for any proposal) without revenue sharing. Revenue sharing is already a part of the league. In fact I think every pro league does some form of revenue sharing, as does every college athletic conference.
When I say "better owner" I simply mean one that's willing to invest in the team. If you buy a franchise in a league that just implemented a salary floor that's double what many current owners are willing to pay, then I think it's safe to say you are more willing to invest in the club. Though you are right, new owners can be just as bad in other ways.
Tis true. Private equity groups are about the bottom line. EI- how quickly can we turn a billion dollar franchise into a three billion dollar one. Then flip it.