They knew the 3 was open, so there wasnt a lot of urgency or quickness moving the ball on offense. They adjusted, just not until late in 2nd half.
Same, we really shoulda made a deeper run. I hope that 2nd round loss haunts daddy Brad, we had the talent to be an elite 8/F4 teammHaven't felt as good about an Illinois team since the Ayo one seed year. Really hopeful for what they can do
Coleman needed to see a couple go in. IMO we didnt shoot desperation 3's, Tenn was giving up the line, so we knew we had that shot at any given time. We were too hesitant to get inside.Whenever I see Coleman hit a couple of threes early, I get really worried that he will continue to shoot even if he cools off. Especially when one is a step back with a man in his face.
I didn't get to watch a lot of the game, but we most certainly resorted to how we played last year. Desperation threes in the first half of the shot clock, just hoping for one to fall.
That being said, I wasn't expecting a win, but it would have been nice to play our game more. It's a close loss against a real team. We've played four real teams and have proved we can play with them all. Still plenty to work on, but this feels different than the past couple of years.
Ty actually handles the ball better but wonder why they never use Harmon. Thought he could handle the ball.Sometimes it is just a make or miss game. Domask and TSJ combining for 7-27 and 1-11 from three is not going to end up with a win in many games.
With that said, I think Tennessee played with more intensity and desire than we did in the second half.
I’d really like to stop seeing Domask bring up the ball against pressure. He’s lost it several times this year and it’s really not his strength. I thought the play he lost the ball in the backcourt in the second half today was a play we never fully recovered from. Unless the whole opposing team is pressing, then have someone come help and let him pass the ball to them, or set a screen in the backcourt. He can always get it back in the front court.
Harmon is kind of loose with the ball but still can be effective off the dribble. Maybe not the guy you want running point though.Ty actually handles the ball better but wonder why they never use Harmon. Thought he could handle the ball.
Agreed"Typically teams who advance in March have good/great guard play."
Yup. Which is why I wouldn't predict us to get beyond the Round of 32.
10 years ago I would agree with you, but now a big part is who wants to continue into the tournament. I thought Alabama was the best team but then they start to see what is after teh NCAA (NBA$$$) and the tourney isn't the focal point. I think Purdue had a similiar issues two years ago when they had Ivey and that talent."Typically teams who advance in March have good/great guard play."
Yup. Which is why I wouldn't predict us to get beyond the Round of 32.
"The error many make is that the shooting from the arc comes from 5 guys who are 6'6" to 6' 10" which is not the traditional backcour to do with their heights."1. We have a pretty darn good guard tandem with TSjr at the 2, and there is no one better.
2. Ty lacks the ideal role of a facilitator and shooter, but if he becomes a bit more aggressive getting to the rim, he can become a great facilitator. He is a better defender than most PGs and a far better rebounder He needs to get better in a few areas and he is and will continue.
3. Harmon's contribution needs to continue to rise and I think he will as he gains confidence and his roll becomes clear.
Overall, the guard play is pretty strong. The error many make is that the shooting from the arc comes from 5 guys who are 6'6" to 6' 10" which is not the traditional backcourt. But it can and has worked. The weakness of this team has not been "guard" play. It has clearly been the frontcourt and no consistency scoring in the paint.
What so many miss about this team is the quality of the parts...and they are not parts developed in the image of a stereotype. They are of high quality with properties we have not seen in Huff or AH before. I intend to give them time and enjoy the way they grow, learn and conquer. Meanwhile, I have been highly impressed. All of the rotation guys have had their moments of praise in the spotlight as well as blunders. But the bottom line is most of us know for sure that they will win our hearts, minds, and respect before the season resume is published.
This is the most enjoyable team I have seen almost two decades. They have earned and deserve our support.
Ray J, Boswell, etc. But we didn't get them so we have to make the best of what we got.10 years ago I would agree with you, but now a big part is who wants to continue into the tournament. I thought Alabama was the best team but then they start to see what is after teh NCAA (NBA$$$) and the tourney isn't the focal point. I think Purdue had a similiar issues two years ago when they had Ivey and that talent.
Also the tourney is about 4+ months away, Ty is getting better. So far only one team has been able to expose us at the PG, it wasn't Kansas, FAU, Marquette. We have plenty of 3 point shooters that Ty doesn't have to be one of them. Possibly Moretti could have filled in some of the gaps yesterday. So yes we don't have a true PG in the mode of Derrick Rose who is athletic, big, athletic, can shoot, defend and score. But we have a collection of players from guard to center who can typically bring the ball up.
That being said if we had Ray J, not sure we lose any games so far if there isn't any impact to this team excellent cohesion so far.
10 years ago I would agree with you, but now a big part is who wants to continue into the tournament. I thought Alabama was the best team but then they start to see what is after teh NCAA (NBA$$$) and the tourney isn't the focal point. I think Purdue had a similiar issues two years ago when they had Ivey and that talent.
Also the tourney is about 4+ months away, Ty is getting better. So far only one team has been able to expose us at the PG, it wasn't Kansas, FAU, Marquette. We have plenty of 3 point shooters that Ty doesn't have to be one of them. Possibly Moretti could have filled in some of the gaps yesterday. So yes we don't have a true PG in the mode of Derrick Rose who is athletic, big, athletic, can shoot, defend and score. But we have a collection of players from guard to center who can typically bring the ball up.
That being said if we had Ray J, not sure we lose any games so far if there isn't any impact to this team excellent cohesion so far.
Plus I think we had some fatigue. Massive road trip at Rutgers at MSG then head down to Knoxville. Not to mention all tough opponents and/or venues. I like that we hung tough. Not concerned with that loss at all. Let’s get the next four and head to Purdue 11-2 ranked about 11.Honestly… the only difference on the court was they out toughed us for some rebounds that killed us, especially on that quick run they had at the beginning of the second half. This was an ELITE & connected team on the defensive end that we played. They really filled gaps and prevented Domask from feeling comfortable posting or TJ driving. Only thing I’d change scheme wise was letting Amani get some run. He plays hard and is in the right spot a lot. Think he might have snagged one or two of those defensive boards we couldn’t keep…. It’s very very hard to win when we play 8 on 5. I absolutely hate using that as an excuse but the officiating was pretty awful, happens all the time in Knoxville. The crowd there is viscious, refs want to get home safe. There’s a reason Tennessee has the home record they do and why their losses this year are away from home… we get this team on a neutral or at home I think we win all of them. Proud of this group for not giving up. Even with their tough defense, we got tons of open looks. Tired legs, lots of travel… I love this team. With the way the rest of the league has shown…. Think this group could go into selection Sunday with 25+ wins, which is what I predicted going into the year. Let’s get a top 4 seed, continue to grow, stay together.. and I like our chances against anyone. We’re 2-2 against top 20 teams including Kansas, we haven’t been blown out, we can play and beat anyone. I think Illinois teams in the past could say the same but also say we can lose to anyone… this team is too big, deep and talented to lose to anyone. Think we avoid all the head scratchers this year and really feel good about our group in March. Let’s keep it rolling fellas!!
Our coach doesn’t adjust in game with any effectiveness. 2020-Loyola is a great example, same play with Krutwig killing us over and over yet no adjustment. This year-Tyler Kolek, taking the ball up the court every time and either driving for a layup or an easy assist-no box in one, no pick him up on the press, nada. This game-Barnes adjusted at halftime-he saw where we were weak and ran plays for those Euro style guards. Us-hero ball over and over with your 5 man bricking 3s. Look at underwood’s tourney history (it’s laughable). This is not to the coach who’s going to take us to the promised land. He brought us back but it’s going to be someone else to bring us to the next level. We need to wake up to this reality as a fan base. It’s good to be a homer but not to the point of ignorance-that hurts the team.
Ah. This old trope again. So he didn't adjust second half against Rutgers? Or against FAU? How about a couple years ago against Northwestern when we were getting crushed and then we ran them out of the building in the second half? What about all the second half/late game comebacks last year? Were those not adjustments? There are many more examples. Or does it only work when it suits your tired narrative?Our coach doesn’t adjust in game with any effectiveness. 2020-Loyola is a great example, same play with Krutwig killing us over and over yet no adjustment. This year-Tyler Kolek, taking the ball up the court every time and either driving for a layup or an easy assist-no box in one, no pick him up on the press, nada. This game-Barnes adjusted at halftime-he saw where we were weak and ran plays for those Euro style guards. Us-hero ball over and over with your 5 man bricking 3s. Look at underwood’s tourney history (it’s laughable). This is not to the coach who’s going to take us to the promised land. He brought us back but it’s going to be someone else to bring us to the next level. We need to wake up to this reality as a fan base. It’s good to be a homer but not to the point of ignorance-that hurts the team.
What coach at Illinois has done what you say?Our coach doesn’t adjust in game with any effectiveness. 2020-Loyola is a great example, same play with Krutwig killing us over and over yet no adjustment. This year-Tyler Kolek, taking the ball up the court every time and either driving for a layup or an easy assist-no box in one, no pick him up on the press, nada. This game-Barnes adjusted at halftime-he saw where we were weak and ran plays for those Euro style guards. Us-hero ball over and over with your 5 man bricking 3s. Look at underwood’s tourney history (it’s laughable). This is not to the coach who’s going to take us to the promised land. He brought us back but it’s going to be someone else to bring us to the next level. We need to wake up to this reality as a fan base. It’s good to be a homer but not to the point of ignorance-that hurts the team.
This is spot on. Nobody can score thirty in a college game if the opponents' defense wants to shut you down. In the case of Shannon, the obvious tact is to overplay the help to keep him from driving and make him shoot deep threes. Wbe he does not hit threes, he can be held to >15 and has to make FTs to get that. But on any night, this team has 6 players that can score, and hit for 20+. They all need to be confident and readyThere is an article on SB Nation that basically says Shannon didn't show up in prime time. I take exception to that. Tennessee's game plan was to mug him, grab him, hold him to keep him from getting his shot up. They did that to a certain extent. He still scored 22 points which is 1 more than the Vols superstar Knecth who had 21 mostly open shots. Shannon didn't have his usual game but to say he didn't shine in primetime is a joke. He got to the foul line 11 times and made all 11 shots. He was fouled and mauled several other times but the refs swallowed the whistle. No doubt TJS is one of the top players in the country that isn't connected to Duke, NC or Kansas.
Good morning Mr. Phil Jackson/Pat Riley. So good to know you have all the answers.Our coach doesn’t adjust in game with any effectiveness. 2020-Loyola is a great example, same play with Krutwig killing us over and over yet no adjustment. This year-Tyler Kolek, taking the ball up the court every time and either driving for a layup or an easy assist-no box in one, no pick him up on the press, nada. This game-Barnes adjusted at halftime-he saw where we were weak and ran plays for those Euro style guards. Us-hero ball over and over with your 5 man bricking 3s. Look at underwood’s tourney history (it’s laughable). This is not to the coach who’s going to take us to the promised land. He brought us back but it’s going to be someone else to bring us to the next level. We need to wake up to this reality as a fan base. It’s good to be a homer but not to the point of ignorance-that hurts the team.
WowOur coach doesn’t adjust in game with any effectiveness. 2020-Loyola is a great example, same play with Krutwig killing us over and over yet no adjustment. This year-Tyler Kolek, taking the ball up the court every time and either driving for a layup or an easy assist-no box in one, no pick him up on the press, nada. This game-Barnes adjusted at halftime-he saw where we were weak and ran plays for those Euro style guards. Us-hero ball over and over with your 5 man bricking 3s. Look at underwood’s tourney history (it’s laughable). This is not to the coach who’s going to take us to the promised land. He brought us back but it’s going to be someone else to bring us to the next level. We need to wake up to this reality as a fan base. It’s good to be a homer but not to the point of ignorance-that hurts the team.
I knew this was this guy's first post before I clicked on his name.Our coach doesn’t adjust in game with any effectiveness. 2020-Loyola is a great example, same play with Krutwig killing us over and over yet no adjustment. This year-Tyler Kolek, taking the ball up the court every time and either driving for a layup or an easy assist-no box in one, no pick him up on the press, nada. This game-Barnes adjusted at halftime-he saw where we were weak and ran plays for those Euro style guards. Us-hero ball over and over with your 5 man bricking 3s. Look at underwood’s tourney history (it’s laughable). This is not to the coach who’s going to take us to the promised land. He brought us back but it’s going to be someone else to bring us to the next level. We need to wake up to this reality as a fan base. It’s good to be a homer but not to the point of ignorance-that hurts the team.