I’m sure that the contracts they’re signing have clauses in them to protect the businesses and donors. I’d guess his money is done coming in.
Terrence Shannon Jr. suspended
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Not disagreeing with the premise, but the math indicates she was either 17 or 18, depending on when her birthday is.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Yep, I don’t think we should be so quick to judge fans taking this news from a fan’s perspective.
My son was born 12/21, and I was super excited to have 2 weeks of parental leave in January for our 3-person family to chill at home together … I’d be lying if I said watching an elite Illini team play wasn’t going to be an outlet for some of the stress and sleepless nights. An Illini game night will still be a big part of our family fun, but this is simply a shocking blow to that. I read this news in the Pediatrician’s waiting room this morning and about dropped my phone.
Does that mean my heart doesn’t break for the victim or for TSJ or both of their families or for the team, etc.? Absolutely not. But we all have different stresses in our lives, and most of us on this board have come together here because we REALLY love the Illini … Illini basketball is something we organize our precious free time around, and it’s understandable that many (especially at first) analyze this devastating news through that lens.
We all know deep down this is bigger than basketball. But it’s shocking news that I don’t think any of us can truly comprehend yet … and we all have an awful pit in our stomach.
It should be that way many peoples lives are being affected here. Whitman is an attorney himself and he knows that making ”quick” statements of any kind will only hurt someone.
By the way, thanks for all the information you do share. It is fun looking for yours and the other insiders posts. I am grateful!
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IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
Congrats on your bundle of joy. Best news to come out of this thread
All I was implying was Friday night news is usually not good.
I would assume we will know if Shannon is on the team still or not in 24ish hours from now.
I keep refreshing this thread and reading every post hoping this is all going to quickly and easily resolve itself. I’m hoping it’s all a big misunderstanding. That’s it’s all a case of mistaken identity. I’m aware this is probably going to be a long nightmare and may very well have an outcome we all weren’t hoping for. But still I hit refresh. Refresh. Refresh. 🫤
I second all of this - but have a couple more weeks before my first will be here
Well said. I was talking with my dad last night and we had so much fun talking about this team and its success, especially given the current state of Chicago sports. Illini basketball is a way everyone here chooses to spend their limited free time, so it's natural for us to want the best outcome for our team and its players.
Regardless of how this is settled, I have faith in our coaching staff and the administration to keep moving forward in the best possible manner. It sucks big-time for all involved, and I am sure that no one right now feels worse than Terrence.
sacraig
- The desert
It's being handled in the criminal justice system as it should be.
You may not know this, but University PD actually doesn't have justification to do an investigation in Lawrence, KS, and the University itself wouldn't have access to information during an active case. An internal investigation would likely be fruitless.
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Josh is the dryest most straight forward person I've met. Doesn't drink, awkward, I'd expect nothing less than the most air tight, professional, legal response you can get.
In 2023, and especially in a case involving people in their teens and twenties, a significant part of the evidence for both prosecution and the defense is going to be digital records—texts and DMs that were sent, social media activity, photos, videos, phone logs, etc. All that data has to be subpoenaed from various service providers, whether its Google or Instagram or T-Mobile or Apple or whoever, and some of those companies are more responsive than others. And then someone has to sort through all that data. Plus I’m sure the DA applied for warrants to search the phones of everyone close to the incident, which again is a long process involving the courts and massive data dumps that electronics teams have to make sense out of. Honestly, you’d be shocked how often people exchange all kinds of messages back and forth following an incident in which they not infrequently try to apologize or make otherwise damning statements. The DA is also probably going to want cell site records which can place the parties either together or apart at certain times and locations which goes a long way towards corroborating allegations or not. Then there are things like medical records—again, that is a subpoena process that takes time.
So, three months is not a long delay, especially where the DA’s office knows it’s going to be a high profile case that will attract substantial national media attention and major scrutiny. It would be professional malpractice and insanely irresponsible from a CYA standpoint alone for the prosecutor to drop a felony complaint and risk having to later backtrack and completely discredit herself before she has all that digital information in front of her first.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Good luck, my friend! It’s special.I second all of this - but have a couple more weeks before my first will be here
Seems like we're talking about a couple different things here.....TSJ's suspension and innocence/guilt of the charges levied against him and how that will play out over the next several weeks.....then the question or discussion of what did the University DOA and coaching staff know or not know of the incident....when did they know what....and how did they handle that information.....at this point I would guess TSJ collegiate career is over but I hope and pray that the charges against TSJ are somehow false and that he's cleared and that he can continue his pursuit of a professional career in basketball....and I also hope and pray that the coaching staff and the AD's handling of the situation has and will be done in a ethical and professional manner that everyone can be confident that it was handled correctly.
I usually post inane gifs and bad puns here but felt compelled to add my thoughts
This is tragic regardless of how it plays out though clearly the part of me that deeply respected TSJ's drive and hard work hopes to see him in the right.
I hope for clarity through the legal process and really hope our administration/coaches do this the right way.
We've seen what bad administration looks like this year (NW handling football allegations, Michigan and the cheating allegations); these are higher stakes given the nature of the charges against TSJ; I trust our leaders will lead and we can be proud of the program however things turn out.
This is tragic regardless of how it plays out though clearly the part of me that deeply respected TSJ's drive and hard work hopes to see him in the right.
I hope for clarity through the legal process and really hope our administration/coaches do this the right way.
We've seen what bad administration looks like this year (NW handling football allegations, Michigan and the cheating allegations); these are higher stakes given the nature of the charges against TSJ; I trust our leaders will lead and we can be proud of the program however things turn out.
Is it possible that this is somehow related to the rumors that Illinois may be canceling its half of the home-and-home non-conference series against Kansas for the 2024 football season? Given the confusion around that unannounced, unconfirmed, and otherwise inexplicable decision, this seems like a notable coincidence.
I realize this is probably a stretch, but there are potential reasons why the AD might have chosen to cancel that game.
I realize this is probably a stretch, but there are potential reasons why the AD might have chosen to cancel that game.
May many others follow your wise example.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
All of the following are absolutely valid, thoughtful, and substantial reactions to the TSJ news today. None are mutually exclusive of the others:
1. It's a catastrophe for the young woman and TSJ, and their families and friends;
2. Anyone accused of a crime in a society that values liberty must first and foremost be presumed innocent under law until proven otherwise;
3. The ubiquity of social media amplifies and rewards accusation and moral posturing;
4. Politics is often never far from a case such as this;
5. Skepticism about those who wield the coercive power of the law is always wise, especially when those in elected office exercise it in a high-profile case;
6. It's a terrible blow to the Illini players, coaches, program, and, yes, even fans, particularly during such a successful season; and
7. It's prudent to reserve judgment of all parties until a great deal more information is available.
All I wish this evening is peace and strength for the accuser and accused, and those who care about them. I hope that everyone involved seeks the light, and does so tenaciously.
Congrats on the first born FotNM
I'll co-sign this... It's a horrible situation and I hope no matter what that a just outcome is at the other end of the tunnel.
From what I understand, Icon has a contract with monthly payments for the players. No idea what clauses are in the contract, but I know it isn't based on playing as that isn't enforceable. I'd bet their individual sponsor deals are single payments and not affected, but would limit future deals.
This is what you said
"If Shannon is booted from the team tomorrow night, this thing starts to look real real scary for him from an outside point of view. If he remains indefinitely suspended, there might be hope and evidence to suggest that he is truly innocent. "
And what I was reacting to.
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