The Illinois AD Search

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84Illini

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Chicagoland
84Illini
"...but you don't put the future of the entire athletic program on hold for months or more just to enhance our chances that the chancellor and athletic director will like each other."

I think it has to do more with prospective AD candidates knowing who their boss will be, and having a sense of his or her big-picture goals, expectations, and standards. Not knowing this makes the job less attractive, just as not knowing who the AD will be makes the head football coach position less attractive. Can we afford for these jobs to be any less attractive?

If this were not academia/government, these hires would take place top down.
 
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Illinois88

Illinois88
United States
Illinois88
MA Illini said:
And the death spiral continues . . . . . holy crap the imcompetence.
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Welcome to the state of Illinois!

We suck and our university conducts itself in an embarrassing manner.
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This should be emailed, tweeted and posters hung up on campus, and sent to the people in charge of this storm.
 
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Charleston

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Charleston
riffraff said:
Well, we see the plan unfolding in all the new academic buildings, the many more living/learning communities (not just Allen Hall any more), the new dorms and slow marginalization of the Greek system, and now the sliding of Illinois into more of an Ivy League state of athletics with strong Olympic and gentile sports and mediocre revenue sports.
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Are football and basketball Jewish sports?
 
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dsboyce

dsboyce
Golden, IL
dsboyce
BZuppke said:
When we hear these rumors I take them with a grain of salt. The idea of some rogue alums trying to bypass the committee sounds pretty crazy and frankly seems overstated. Just how do they think they'll not only identify and work out a deal with someone and then get Wilson, Killeen, et al. to simply hire them. I agree with S&C that different groups are leaking overstated rumors to push their own agendas. I do not take these rumors at face value, but there's some kernel of truth behind each one I'm sure.
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Shannon Ryan's breaking news has been pretty spot on over the last several months.
 
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riffraff

riffraff
Peoria
riffraff
Second and Chalmers said:
:huh:



UIUC is Greeker than a hot, fresh tray of spanakopita. What are you talking about?
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Slow marginalization....removing formal rush for men, first the spring HS Rush then the fall freshman rush...building larger capacity freshman dorms...changing the rules on reciprocal,agreements for certified housing...by no means killing the system, just giving it a less favored status. Really, I agree, the weakest part of the Harvardization analogy.
 
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UIGrad03

U
UIGrad03
I am hearing the rogue party is really going after Rick George, but George is demanding to be heard in the hiring of the next chancellor, along with being named AD, and is asking north of 1 million a year for his services. AND he wants a 6 (or more) year guaranteed deal, full and sole control of coaching hires, and a revision of the admissions for athletes to the NCAA/B1G minimum. He wants to run the DIA more like a professional sports enterprise while staying with some important traditional aspects.

Students accepted between current standards and B1G minimums will be enrolled in a special "educationally disadvantaged curriculum" to ensure that they acclimate properly to the stringent academic standards at UI. Like a UI only Bridge Program Lite. This is to appease the academic contingent involved in the hiring process.

He also wants the compliance department to adhere to the standard, rather than being the poster child for compliance leadership. This is a major sticking point because a large contingent of decision makers, particularly in the BOT, believe that compliance is king and worry much less about our incompetence at revenue sports performance than they do about further stain to UI's overall reputation.

Ultimately, this is what is going down. I don't see any way the eggheads in admin allow this to happen, instead choosing to revel in the process rather than the results.

Don't really care if anyone believes this or not, don't post often but if anyone cares to look, my small record speaks for itself.
 
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illiniCA

illiniCA
DC Area
illiniCA
UIGrad03 said:
I am hearing the rogue party is really going after Rick George, but George is demanding to be heard in the hiring of the next chancellor, along with being named AD, and is asking north of 1 million a year for his services. AND he wants a 6 (or more) year guaranteed deal, full and sole control of coaching hires, and a revision of the admissions for athletes to the NCAA/B1G minimum. He wants to run the DIA more like a professional sports enterprise while staying with some important traditional aspects.

Students accepted between current standards and B1G minimums will be enrolled in a special "educationally disadvantaged curriculum" to ensure that they acclimate properly to the stringent academic standards at UI. Like a UI only Bridge Program Lite. This is to appease the academic contingent involved in the hiring process.

He also wants the compliance department to adhere to the standard, rather than being the poster child for compliance leadership. This is a major sticking point because a large contingent of decision makers, particularly in the BOT, believe that compliance is king and worry much less about our incompetence at revenue sports performance than they do about further stain to UI's overall reputation.

Ultimately, this is what is going down. I don't see any way the eggheads in admin allow this to happen, instead choosing to revel in the process rather than the results.

Don't really care if anyone believes this or not, don't post often but if anyone cares to look, my small record speaks for itself.
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Personally I would agree to all of those demands very quickly. I think the academics can remain strong with a small fraction of athletes taking easy classes
 
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EfremWinters84

E
S. Carolina
EfremWinters84
UIGrad03 said:
I am hearing the rogue party is really going after Rick George, but George is demanding to be heard in the hiring of the next chancellor, along with being named AD, and is asking north of 1 million a year for his services. AND he wants a 6 (or more) year guaranteed deal, full and sole control of coaching hires, and a revision of the admissions for athletes to the NCAA/B1G minimum. He wants to run the DIA more like a professional sports enterprise while staying with some important traditional aspects.

Students accepted between current standards and B1G minimums will be enrolled in a special "educationally disadvantaged curriculum" to ensure that they acclimate properly to the stringent academic standards at UI. Like a UI only Bridge Program Lite. This is to appease the academic contingent involved in the hiring process.

He also wants the compliance department to adhere to the standard, rather than being the poster child for compliance leadership. This is a major sticking point because a large contingent of decision makers, particularly in the BOT, believe that compliance is king and worry much less about our incompetence at revenue sports performance than they do about further stain to UI's overall reputation.

Ultimately, this is what is going down. I don't see any way the eggheads in admin allow this to happen, instead choosing to revel in the process rather than the results.

Don't really care if anyone believes this or not, don't post often but if anyone cares to look, my small record speaks for itself.
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I want to believe this post. And --- that the ultimate outcome will be a Rick George hire.
 
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EJ33

E
San Francisco
EJ33
UIGrad03 said:
I am hearing the rogue party is really going after Rick George, but George is demanding to be heard in the hiring of the next chancellor, along with being named AD, and is asking north of 1 million a year for his services. AND he wants a 6 (or more) year guaranteed deal, full and sole control of coaching hires, and a revision of the admissions for athletes to the NCAA/B1G minimum. He wants to run the DIA more like a professional sports enterprise while staying with some important traditional aspects.

Students accepted between current standards and B1G minimums will be enrolled in a special "educationally disadvantaged curriculum" to ensure that they acclimate properly to the stringent academic standards at UI. Like a UI only Bridge Program Lite. This is to appease the academic contingent involved in the hiring process.

He also wants the compliance department to adhere to the standard, rather than being the poster child for compliance leadership. This is a major sticking point because a large contingent of decision makers, particularly in the BOT, believe that compliance is king and worry much less about our incompetence at revenue sports performance than they do about further stain to UI's overall reputation.

Ultimately, this is what is going down. I don't see any way the eggheads in admin allow this to happen, instead choosing to revel in the process rather than the results.

Don't really care if anyone believes this or not, don't post often but if anyone cares to look, my small record speaks for itself.
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If these are truly George's demands then he is a smart man. I'm even more sold on him, but I agree that there is little to no chance his demands will be met.
 
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Flight 33

F
Flight 33
UIGrad03 said:
I am hearing the rogue party is really going after Rick George, but George is demanding to be heard in the hiring of the next chancellor, along with being named AD, and is asking north of 1 million a year for his services. AND he wants a 6 (or more) year guaranteed deal, full and sole control of coaching hires, and a revision of the admissions for athletes to the NCAA/B1G minimum. He wants to run the DIA more like a professional sports enterprise while staying with some important traditional aspects.

Students accepted between current standards and B1G minimums will be enrolled in a special "educationally disadvantaged curriculum" to ensure that they acclimate properly to the stringent academic standards at UI. Like a UI only Bridge Program Lite. This is to appease the academic contingent involved in the hiring process.

He also wants the compliance department to adhere to the standard, rather than being the poster child for compliance leadership. This is a major sticking point because a large contingent of decision makers, particularly in the BOT, believe that compliance is king and worry much less about our incompetence at revenue sports performance than they do about further stain to UI's overall reputation.

Ultimately, this is what is going down. I don't see any way the eggheads in admin allow this to happen, instead choosing to revel in the process rather than the results.

Don't really care if anyone believes this or not, don't post often but if anyone cares to look, my small record speaks for itself.
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Yes please to all of the above. First, a guy like George is worth way more than $1M/year....double it or triple it....he will earn it back for the DIA in 6 months minimum, maybe even 6 days!

Also, all of those other concessions around academics and compliance are badly needed.

I really hope this is true and we give the guy all of it.
 
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IllinoisFanAtFSU

I
IllinoisFanAtFSU
If that "rogue contingent" exists and can get George...and the powers that be give in to all of those demands... I will forgive everything else that has happened and return all my Christmas gifts.

Not really, but MAN would that be a homerun hiring him with all of those changes. We could actually become a legitimate contender level program within the B1G.
 
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Butkuser

B
Butkuser
Holy Cow! Just read the stuff about George and it seems like just the thing the UofI needs.

I also agree that making it easier for student athletes to enter the university is needed. Aren't we trying to get athletes to trade their talents for a degree? Wouldn't that help them get into a great University and ease them into the situation in an effort to make them successful?

Take a look at the average athletes day during the season, it is crazy busy!

The University would be giving a little to get a lot back by conceding to George.
 
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IlliniCaboose

IlliniCaboose
IlliniCaboose
Basically, aside from the salary demand, all of those conditions would only serve to make the U of I much, much stronger in athletics across the board. Especially in the revenue sports. No brainer situation if this is truly what is going on.
 
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kcib8130

kcib8130
Parts Unknown
kcib8130
Give RG the keys. he doesn't need training wheels, or the Driver Ed instructor. You want to make this DIA great you let the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR DIRECT THE ATHLETICS.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
Ransom Stoddard
kcib8130 said:
Give RG the keys. he doesn't need training wheels, or the Driver Ed instructor. You want to make this DIA great you let the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR DIRECT THE ATHLETICS.
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I saw RG and immediately thought Ron Guenther and was going to have some scathing words for you.

Then I realized Rick George.... :eek:
 
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DeeBrownComeBack

D
Champaign
DeeBrownComeBack
riffraff said:
Slow marginalization....removing formal rush for men, first the spring HS Rush then the fall freshman rush...building larger capacity freshman dorms...changing the rules on reciprocal,agreements for certified housing...by no means killing the system, just giving it a less favored status. Really, I agree, the weakest part of the Harvardization analogy.
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This really isn't relevant to the AD search, but we have not had formal rush at this university for men in a long time (has to do with there being way too many different fraternities here for it to work). That being said, look for formal rush to start here in the next 3-5 years.
 
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mattcoldagelli

mattcoldagelli
The Transfer Portal with Do Not Contact Tag
mattcoldagelli
UIGrad03 said:
I am hearing the rogue party is really going after Rick George, but George is demanding to be heard in the hiring of the next chancellor, along with being named AD, and is asking north of 1 million a year for his services. AND he wants a 6 (or more) year guaranteed deal, full and sole control of coaching hires, and a revision of the admissions for athletes to the NCAA/B1G minimum. He wants to run the DIA more like a professional sports enterprise while staying with some important traditional aspects.

Students accepted between current standards and B1G minimums will be enrolled in a special "educationally disadvantaged curriculum" to ensure that they acclimate properly to the stringent academic standards at UI. Like a UI only Bridge Program Lite. This is to appease the academic contingent involved in the hiring process.

He also wants the compliance department to adhere to the standard, rather than being the poster child for compliance leadership. This is a major sticking point because a large contingent of decision makers, particularly in the BOT, believe that compliance is king and worry much less about our incompetence at revenue sports performance than they do about further stain to UI's overall reputation.

Ultimately, this is what is going down. I don't see any way the eggheads in admin allow this to happen, instead choosing to revel in the process rather than the results.

Don't really care if anyone believes this or not, don't post often but if anyone cares to look, my small record speaks for itself.
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I'm going to choose to believe this if only because it's comforting to know there's a candidate out there that knows what needs doing and has the balls to demand it.

There's as much chance of it happening as us making the F4 this year, though.
 
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ditkanate

D
ditkanate
mattcoldagelli said:
I'm going to choose to believe this if only because it's comforting to know there's a candidate out there that knows what needs doing and has the balls to demand it.

There's as much chance of it happening as us making the F4 this year, though.
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FeelYourPaign

FeelYourPaign
So Cal
FeelYourPaign
UIGrad03 said:
I am hearing the rogue party is really going after Rick George, but George is demanding to be heard in the hiring of the next chancellor, along with being named AD, and is asking north of 1 million a year for his services. AND he wants a 6 (or more) year guaranteed deal, full and sole control of coaching hires, and a revision of the admissions for athletes to the NCAA/B1G minimum. He wants to run the DIA more like a professional sports enterprise while staying with some important traditional aspects.

Students accepted between current standards and B1G minimums will be enrolled in a special "educationally disadvantaged curriculum" to ensure that they acclimate properly to the stringent academic standards at UI. Like a UI only Bridge Program Lite. This is to appease the academic contingent involved in the hiring process.

He also wants the compliance department to adhere to the standard, rather than being the poster child for compliance leadership. This is a major sticking point because a large contingent of decision makers, particularly in the BOT, believe that compliance is king and worry much less about our incompetence at revenue sports performance than they do about further stain to UI's overall reputation.

Ultimately, this is what is going down. I don't see any way the eggheads in admin allow this to happen, instead choosing to revel in the process rather than the results.

Don't really care if anyone believes this or not, don't post often but if anyone cares to look, my small record speaks for itself.
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This is such an attractive story that it just can't be true. I'm sort of joking, Grad, and not actively disbelieving you, just saying that nothing this cogent and powerful has even been imagined in Illinois athletics for so long that it seems like dreaming of cold fusion. But I do want to believe. Struggling, however. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
 
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