I don't even think that's it necessarily, I think he may have ended up with the Illinois job if he had waited. Martin was interested in Illinois and I'm sure Whitman had some interest in Martin, at least enough to reach out. However, he clearly wasn't Whitman's top priority at this stage with so many other top candidates still in the tournament. Obviously Martin was Mizzou's top priority from the start and they made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
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KrushCow31
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- Chicago, IL
Yes but you don't sign the first 3 star PF to express interest if you have some 4 stars and 5 stars also interested, not until you at least analyze those other players interest. I think the same applies to coaching searches, but a lot more cut and dry.
I think MULEDOG identified the floor with his pick of Sergio (sorry Serge). We could do worse than Powell or Deon (my opinion), however we should do substantially better (fact).
Isn't that exactly what they accused Groce of? Going for the home run, and despite going the distance, missing on some other guys who ended up elsewhere. There is always that risk.
Based on that definition of the floor, our floor is significantly higher than that. The pool of candidates is much deeper this year, and there are a number of ehh hires that I would consider the floor pool of candidates.
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Or Whitman didn't want him enough to actually offer. Which makes the most sense to me, but it conflicts with the narrative that UIUC "had to settle for their nth chouce."
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The point of that sentence is that this is a single sourced story. You actually think the source is from Illinois? Very unlikely--no reason to talk to a reporter if you really didn't get who you wanted.
That leaves a Miznoz source or someone from Martin's camp--both of which would be highly motivated to make their newly hired coach (who just got smoked in the first round of the NIT) seem desirable. It changes the narrative from, "we really just hired an NIT coach?" to "we beat our rival for this coach".
Believe what you want, but understand that if Ryan had more than one source--she'd have said so.
Not sure how sold I am on Bryce Drew no tournament success if go that route I think I would prefer someone like Ben Jacobson UNI more proven track record. Just not convinced one of the big names is coming here
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Bennett 0%
Miller 1%
Marshall 2%
The Field 97%
I just have an inkling it might be Steve Prohm, and when you people treat that as not a grand slam, I might just have an aneurysm and die and you won't have to listen to my nonsense any more. So, root for that I guess
That's pretty close to where I'm at except:
Bennett 1%
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Marshall 5%
Bryce Drew 5%
Prohm 5%
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This is complete tripe.
KrushCow31
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There is. But a coaching search is much more cut and dry. Most big teams aren't going to make moves until teams are eliminated. I'd be really mad if they hired Martin already(not that they could yet). It would show a flippant attitude to this all and that they will take the somewhat decent coach to come by.
We do not know that. Some reports indicate that that we tried to also get in but Missouri was further along in the process. There are no implications that we offered more or less money. It may also not have been about money. There are no indications that the job went to the higher bidder. What we do know is that Cuonzo picked Mizzou, all the other things are hypothesis. Maybe he just wanted the security of the immediate offer, maybe he liked them more all along. Maybe... maybe... At the end, they got their coach and we have to get ours.
You seem to believe .......
....everything you read. Why do you assume that all these reports of offers are accurate?
....everything you read. Why do you assume that all these reports of offers are accurate?
Ransom Stoddard
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I am pretty sure that anyone who has real information on what Whitman has and hasn't offered isn't talking to Shannon Ryan. I'd wager that she's getting speculation from someone who thinks they know, just like the rest of us.
UNI went what, 14-16 this year?
GortTheRobot
- North Bethesda, Maryland
My initial reaction was that Cuonzo saw the handwriting. I think if he thought Illinois was still in play, he would not have jumped to Mizzou so quickly. I could be dead wrong, but that scenario makes me feel a lot better, because it means the word is out that we are looking to reel in a big fish.
Just to kind of get a perspective, let's take a look at what the coaches of the top 4 seeds in the tournament starting today were when they got hired for those jobs:
Hofstra Head Coach
Louisiana Tech Head Coach
Valparaiso Head Coach
Army Head Coach
Internal Assistant
Kansas State Head Coach
Fired Ex-Head Coach of the Washington Wizards
Xavier Head Coach
Illinois Head Coach
Southern Illinois Head Coach
Creighton Head Coach
Fired Ex-Head Coach of the Boston Celtics
Kansas Head Coach
Gardner-Webb Head Coach
New Mexico Head Coach
Memphis Head Coach
This is a kind of a flawed way to look at it. Obviously all of these guys for the most part are going to start at smaller schools just because of the way the coaching cycle works. All of the top 4 seeds are typically big time programs and you won't see a lot of movement from big schools to other big schools at those types of programs unless it is people leaving for jobs like Kansas, UNC, Duke, Kentucky
I didn't even consider Coleridge a possibility, but that would be a grand slam. And there's the obvious Khan connection, which everyone has been overlooking. I like how Coleridge describes his motion offense:
And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing,
A mighty fountain momently was forced:
Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail,
Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher's flail:
And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
It flung up momently the sacred river.
Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean
To me, it sounds like he's talking about a free flowing motion offense that sometimes runs on 5-out principles and really emphasizes attacking the glass to create second chance opportunities. I can get behind that.
I mean, with $25 million in the war chest, should we be talking about Wordsworth too?
Just to speculate, I think it's very possible that Michael Porter Sr. reached out to Cuonzo that he wanted to take the family back to Columbia, and at that point waiting around for Illinois became a stupid option for him.
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For the purposes of Braggin Rights fodder I sort of like that Martin seems to be making the claim that he chose Mizzou over UI and Whitman is denying an offer was ever made. You think Josh might prioritize that game a bit more after that plays out in the media? I hope so.
So....why does that make it a flawed way to look at it?
Ransom Stoddard
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I don't want to speak for him, but he's saying Deon would be the head coach and Roger would come over and be on staff. Not even remotely an option imo
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