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Oh I agree there. I just don't see us as part of the million dollar coordinator club, at least not yet. He'd need at least his current salary which some have said is in the 800k ballpark.
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I understand that side of the argument. But what about the side where the player wants a legit coach to help him get to the next level? I can easily say that there is a risk Barnes sees C Patt as his next position coach after the crap he just endured with Miles and says no thanks. You can like someone personally and still not respect their professional ability. Most posters here do not have knowledge of the players mindsets so I will not say keeping A is going to have B effect. I am going to look at the facts that I know and say a position coach still reasonably fresh from HS ranks is now moving to the other side of the ball. It does not look good and can easily be used against us in recruiting
Coming from an accountant who gets tired of punching a keyboard, I love C Patt's story - Accountant who was not happy with his profession and has the guts to pursue something he loves. He has succeeded and it is great. But my emotion does not negate the fact it is not an ideal situation from where I sit
And where did you get this info from??
I literally cannot believe that a guy made it to P5, Big Ten college football with his main asset in youth football and high school football as a recruiter.
Now, he may not be up to snuff in college as an X and O guy, but I'm just going to guess that his X and O football knowledge is pretty dang high.
Maybe I'm wrong and you specifically know something about CP and his football knowledge directly.
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Over/Under .5 coaches announced today?
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You have 9 slots (not to mention unlimited support staff type positions) left to accomplish that. Which of course was the total number just a few years ago.
This is not a generalized argument for using the scarce resource of assistant coach spots to lock up the handlers of high school recruits (the right idea in basketball, probably not in football), this is a specific argument about this Illinois roster and this, I will say it until I'm blue in the face, absolutely unprecedented moment and offseason which presents both opportunity and potentially catastrophic SMU death penalty-type risk.
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Sorry I do not share the same doom and gloom ideology. Can every player transfer out, sure. Is that going to happen, no. No it is not. There is not an infinite number of starter spots on B1G football rosters. We can have the worst college coach in Power 5 (which arguably we just had) and we are still going to get players. SMU death penalty? C'mon we lost 63-0 at home
Yrs, there is a lot to get excited about this hire. My only problem is Peters is staying another year. I want to IW train to get going and lead us. Peterson is a solid hire. I think he will put IW in the best position to succeed. Kinda tired of all the lame naysayers here. This will be the best coaching staff we have had in a number of years and I can see us bowling next year.
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I agree. I was disappointed Lou wasn't retained. We really did not get to see the results of what he could have done this go around. His strategy of lift heavy weights would translate well with a power running Offense one would think
After OC, S&C is what is most important to me. I know BB is going to be calling the shots on D and that hire isn't my biggest concern. Even after the DC I am more excited about who the DL coach is going to be. If BB is going to succeed we need to dominate the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball
Offer him $875,000 and perks. Incentive clauses.
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Unless Texas is as big a mess as some think, I don't think he'd come without a significant raise. He's one of the better DCs. He'll be in demand whenever he's available.
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One interesting trend that ended with the Petersen hire: new Illinois coaches bringing in inexperienced playcallers with their initial staff. Zook had Locksley, Beckman had the 2 headed monster of recruiters, Lovie had McGee. None of those guys had ever actually been the playcallers at their previous stops. Locksley worked, but the other 2 had to be replaced within 2 years. If nothing else, BB brought in an OC that, you know, actually knows how to be an OC.
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This was the reason we all bought into the idea of Hardy Nickerson as DC, just for the record.
The DC is going to be very possibly the highest paid and most important hire of this staff, let's not pretend otherwise.
Take it from Bielema's mouth, he said his big four most important hires are going to be OC, DC, Special Teams coach and S&C coach.
Interested to see what the ST coach profile is. What springs to mind is a recruiting ace/program culture type guy with "special teams" standing in as a nominal area of authority that most every player is involved with in some context. Shane Beamer has been that guy at various stops, Brian Polian is that guy for Notre Dame. I hope it's that and not Ligs or a Ligs-type which seems like a waste of resources to me.
It would not be a smart career move for him and he would probably be wise to say no, but throwing a fat raise at Nate Scheelhaase to be AHC/ST would be a really clever way to get him back in the building.
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False, McGee was the playcaller at Northwestern at the beginning of the Fitz era and also called his own plays when he was the head coach at UAB, this was discussed extensively at the time.
If we've got $5 million to play with that's going to be tough to avoid.
USA Today has Rod Smith at $950k, numbers they purport to get directly from the athletic departments
And if we're only paying Petersen $750k, you do the math. A million dollar DC is easy to fit in that budget.
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Thanks for the correction. I wasn't sure on that one. I knew he didn't call the plays at Louisville and thought he didn't at UAB.
That's fair on the Nickerson thing. DC will be important and I don't think we are going to be an inexperienced guy in but I also don't think it is imperative for us to have a someone that has been a DC or called his owen game before. We need someone who is detail oriented and can coach.
I didn't mean to imply that ST and DC aren't important. I was just saying to me the most important were OC, S&C, OL, DL. I have faith BB will put together a competent college staff(I have to despite not being a big fan initially). I really think he knocked it out of the park with Bart Miller though and that makes me hopeful we can bring in young, knowledgeable, attitude guys for other positions that will rest set the tone for our team.
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Had no idea Rod was making that much. He is not a million dollar OC. I know a lot of it is just the inflation in the industry, but man did Lovie mishandle all that assistant money. What a joke of a coach and staff.
I think this falls under Lovie's hubris. He thought he knew better and could get away with it. Thought he could run the defense his was so good that it didn't matter how good Rob Smith was.
You would have to offer about a million due to the fact that Illinois has a state income tax and Texas does not. But Ash could get away from the dumbest coach in football in Tom Herman. It would be a nice get if we Could land him.
ChiefGritty
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Totally agree about Lovie badly mishandling his assistant budget and generally maintaining a joke of a staff, and it is true that nobody was going to make some godfather offer for Rod that would necessitate us paying him that much.
Still, Rod making the most money on the staff by a country mile is an accurate reflection of his credibility relative to the others. He's a good football coach who did a non-terrible job here and will be heard from again in major conference football. I'm sorry if that doesn't suit people's narratives, but it's the truth.
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It would definitely be creative, but would make no sense to either side. If BB values a ST coordinator as much as he says, he would not use that position to overpay for an inexperienced alum, with whom he has no connection, to just get him on the staff. He values that position because he values special teams. He's going to bring in an actual ST coach I assume. If he wants to throw money and a "name" title at Nate, AND Nate wants to make the move, it would have to be something along the lines of Co-OC/Run-game Coordinator/Pass-game Coordinator.
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Texas has very high expectations and they should, but it shows the brain worms that develop in those kind of places that anyone would refer to Tom Herman as "the dumbest coach in football".
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I am going to stick up for Rod a little here. From an outside perspective, it appears as if he was handcuffed. Year 1 our offense was by far good enough to get to a bowl game. AJ was a bowling ball at the QB position and was vital to our total rushing numbers. The main problem was he could not pass the ball and the talent on the receiving end of his passes were not doing him any favors. Then he gets Brandon Peters who is not a running QB. Can he run, yes. But that is not his game. The offense took a major step back as far as productivity.
He inherited a insulting QB room by Power 5 football standards. Added
1. Emergency QB in Matt R, who wasn't going anywhere as big as IL
2. Outstanding athlete in IW who yes has more in common with AJ as far as throwing ability but still very young with room to grow in the category
3. Deuce Spann who appears to be a better thrower and bigger than IW. Not as athletic and not as big as AJ, possibly the middle ground that would really work
4. Samier Collier from Texas who put up some really big numbers at a really big Texas program
I would argue that Junior IW would have been the major turn around of this offense. Not saying Kahlil Tate type production but the floor would have been respectable. Would have had a handful of his type of QBs for the first time and 1 with some actual experience
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