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Right. And Lovie was able to get McGee, at the time a huge get. The last couple years, openings have been filled with low level replacements.
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Apparently Ash will be paid no matter what in 2021: $800K by UT, $900K by Rutgers
In 2022: $2.6M by Rutgers
So whatever he makes in his new contract will just be an offset to those numbers, which hurts our chances I think, given money won’t be an issue- he’s going to make the same no matter what the next two years- we’d have to give him a three year deal with a lot in the third year for it to make a difference to him.
So if he chooses the best career move that could give him another shot at HC, we might not be that- but it could come down to trust in BB and funds to hire his own staff that might be the draw to come here
In 2022: $2.6M by Rutgers
So whatever he makes in his new contract will just be an offset to those numbers, which hurts our chances I think, given money won’t be an issue- he’s going to make the same no matter what the next two years- we’d have to give him a three year deal with a lot in the third year for it to make a difference to him.
So if he chooses the best career move that could give him another shot at HC, we might not be that- but it could come down to trust in BB and funds to hire his own staff that might be the draw to come here
DaChief4ever
- Urbana
I don't see ASH jumping to a HC immediately....He's going to have to do some trench work to get back on the radar......since money doesn't seem to be an issue, why not a few years at Illinois..hopefully to get back on the radar as an "up and coming" type story.
Of course he knows they are important, but he doesn't get to draft his assistants. They have to agree to come here
altenberger22
- South Carolina
I tend to agree. Glad to see that we're circling back around to Ash. You'd have to figure the conversation has certainly occurred between BB and Chris. Hope it proved to be productive! Here's a short excerpt from a September 2020 article pertaining to Ash's Texas defense.
"The Longhorns have been supportive of the new scheme by first-year defensive coordinator Chris Ash since he took over the Texas defense in the spring. Sophomore nose tackle Keondre Coburn said he likes the change in defensive schemes from last year’s 3-3-5 defense to a 4-2-5, and he feels Ash’s defense puts him in a position to make more plays. “It feels so much better being in this system,” Coburn said in a Tuesday teleconference. “(There’s) better opportunities to make plays, (I) get to get after the quarterback and (don’t get) double-teamed every play like I was in the (3-3).”
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- Richmond, VA
Just wondering, why wouldn't us or anyone else push to backload his contract in a win-win type of deal? For example, if we were planning to pay 750k/yr. why not offer a 3 yr. deal of $0 for years 1 and 2 with $2.25M in year 3.
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I agree- I meant he might pick the highest profile job to position himself as a HC as his next step- like Michigan, where he would have a lot of talent - but JH might not be long for that job
We would offer the opportunity to work for someone he’s been successful with in BB, he can hire his own staff with a budget to attract who he wants and some longer term stability given this coaching staff will likely be given 4 years to turn this around.
DaChief4ever
- Urbana
Sarkisian to Texas announced.....$$$$
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Others would know more than me- but Rutgers could sue him if we did that- he agreed to the offset in his contract with Rutgers so if you intentionally structure a future deal to avoid the offset that sounds like grounds for suit. But I do think it means he would take less money than normal, it just can’t be blatant- like he was making $800k at Texas, when in reality he likely would have commanded well over $1M if he didn’t have the offset
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I wonder how common that is for an assistant. I know we did something like that with Lovie to offset the Tampa money. I also wonder what the buyout offset language is. Like stuff about him actively looking for employment snd being paid market value. Something like that.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
One of the reasons guys like Ash become so sought after as coordinators is paradoxically their lack of appeal as head coaches.
Like, imagine us hiring Chris Ash as head coach after what he did at Rutgers. It will be a decade, at least, before he's even under P5 HC consideration. And he'll be getting old then.
His market value as a coordinator just vastly exceeds his value as a head coach, and will for the foreseeable future.
So what do you want if you're in Ash's position? A huge salary, stability, and the chance to work with people you like on a project you believe in and on which you're a really critical piece. That's what he thought he was doing at Texas.
Well, Ash's two prior stints with Herman at Iowa State and Ohio State literally sandwich his four years with Bielema. Soooooooo.....
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Correct. The legal mumbo jumbo of this is that parties to a contract have an implied duty of good faith and fair dealing.
We did get pretty aggressive with this in Lovie's initial contract. And some months later there was an amendment that didn't change the total length or dollars, but just moved some money around such that the Bucs were on the hook for, if I recall correctly, $1 million less. It certainly had the smell of something that was a confidential settlement in lieu of pursuing legal action, which would be needlessly costly for both parties.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
Not all contracts have the offset. I have no idea about the details, but no one will pay him more than $1.7M to be a DC. He may as well get on TV, or take a nice vacation. If there is no offset, then an extra $1M might be a good thing. No idea how much he values money. Or, maybe the challenge of getting a once proud defense back in shape may be a cool project.
Well, yeah. I would think he had a list of guys he was gonna consider, but not like, If this guy says no, I have to settle for this guy or that guy. Having 4 or 5 candidates of equal footing, so to speak. Whether you worked with them before or not. Sure, there might be more of a comfort factor with some, but all being equal in abilities and knowledge.
I agree. Ash may not see us as a prime spot to enhance his chances of becoming a HC in the future. He could find that elsewhere, with a more stable program. JMO
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
I would venture to guess we are the single least likely Power Five school to have a coaching change in the next three years.
EDIT: Eh, okay, I'll give you Clemson. And maybe Ohio State.
But between risk of the coach getting fired, retiring (Saban), moving up (Matt Campbell), moving to the NFL (Lincoln Riley), etc, we are currently one of the most stable situations in the nation.
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Probably more like 5 years.
I don't actually think much of this comes down to "good faith". I think it's more clearly laid out in these contracts. My guess is that if we had to change things we didn't correctly understand timing, etc.
Rutgers is public. Guessing the contract could be seen. Same with Texas.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Sometimes the contracts contain an affirmative duty to mitigate, sometimes they don't.
But even if it didn't, signing a 3-year deal that pays $100k the first year and $1 million for each of the next two, lets say, would arguably violate that duty of good faith.
dgcrow
- Kelso, WA
He needs to be a better head coach than he was at Washington and Southern Cal.
I agree with all that 100% and was thinking along same. This is the type of position that Fickell was waiting for and a great AD had Fickell and the cash lined up before he canned the current staff. With Freeman? That'd make too much sense.
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Wow. Been an hour and a half since the last post. Nobody dug up some random Twitter account saying Bo Pelini expected to join Illinois coaching staff?
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
It's kinda unbelievable how silent everything has been, including the coaching search proper.
Ive been rummaging thru names posted, just to tell myself no,maybe, get a tad excited then talk myself out of excitment or ask why hasn’t anything been announced yet!?!? Im thinkin maybe hes going co-dc route if ron english is in play but bb wants a 3-4 defensive, i know he backtracked and said he meant multiple d and what not but he made same comments in 2016/2017 when letting dline coach rory segrests go and his dc robb smith left to go to minny..so im tryin to see whose been on 3-4 staffs, maybe bb connections (not that it matters)but idk what route hes going. I hate surprises..
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