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Jtepn87 said:
Can someone give me a quick overview of what these numbers mean? I'm not familiar with the F+ ratings/rankings.
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I think it's something like how much better or worse you are than the middle/average team. So + is better than average, - is worse. Higher number is farther from average.
 
#102      
arude8
Longtime lurker said:
Well maybe Jack Coan's family remembers the Beilema days of Wisconsin lore and he chooses the Ilini as his home next year. I think that gives BB a good starting QB, and I fully expect a as traveled as BB is that he will have more than one option for capable OC's. One would have to guess that he has a pretty good idea of what he wants the team to run already. I understand it has to fit his personnel, but all of those guys know what they think works.
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Jack Coan is from New York so I wouldn't get your hopes up there
 
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altenberger22
WINTer said:
Love everything you post. A lot of good stuff in here, but I think you're way over-exaggerating the IW thing. Bielema is not going to choose an OC based on if he thinks the redshirt freshman 2nd string QB is his guy after barely analyzing his film/practice/games. Bielema is going to choose the OC he likes best and trusts most. The OC will have a huge say in what type of QB they want and how they use the QB.

Now, I'm going to assume Bielema will really look deep into the roster and try to determine what guys he likes. He will recognize that IW is the highest rated recruit on the roster and will try to keep him. We don't know if that means as a WR, QB, slash, etc. We also don't know if that will require keeping Patterson. Either way, Bielema will do what he wants with the staff, and it will have very little to do with what players are already here.
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I agree. And I just can't see IW being our QB under Bielema. I hope he stays, and I hope we benefit from his athleticism for another 3-4 years -- but I speculate it will be at WR.

Fully expecting the 2021 roster to be a major overhaul, and I hope it's 40% improved over 2020. (Naturally, that improvement will come from transfers-in, transfers-out, a couple of new/unexpected HS recruits and the extension of several of our current seniors for one additional year.)
 
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ChiefGritty
Jtepn87 said:
Can someone give me a quick overview of what these numbers mean? I'm not familiar with the F+ ratings/rankings.
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Well first of all I should post a link to Football Outsiders, who puts these together.

And F+ is in fact a mashup of Bill Connelly's SP+ and Brian Fremeau's FEI, two different stathead rankings that are slightly different from one another. Which is good, incorporating multiple perspectives makes things more robust.

But the basic idea is looking at per play and per possession efficiency, adjusted for schedule strength and home/road, and tossing out garbage time possessions. So basically, how well are you able to move the ball and prevent the ball being moved, relative to the difficulty of the games you're playing?

So it's even a little more under the hood than something like KenPom in basketball which is (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) derived entirely from just what the final score is, then adjusted for opponent quality and location. F+ gets a little deeper into how well you actually play.

It's the gold standard for college football. (Football Outsiders is also the gold standard for NFL analytics if you're into that). It knows when you laid an egg and had to struggle to beat a bad cupcake. It knows when you gave a great team a really difficult fight.

WINTer said:
I think it's something like how much better or worse you are than the middle/average team. So + is better than average, - is worse. Higher number is farther from average.
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Oh, yeah, the actual percentages are the deviation from the average team.

Or at least they were, they've changed the units for 2020 which is very annoying and makes apples-to-apples comparisons impossible. The rankings 1-120something work fine enough, but obviously that "average" is a little different every year (I believe Bill Cubit's interim team won the coveted "F+ Closest to FBS Average Team" trophy)
 
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EyeoftheIllini
ChiefGritty said:
One thing to note about Bielema at Arkansas: He lost a ton of key assistants to lateralish moves.

Chris Ash was DC, left after year 1 to become co-DC at Ohio State (other co-DC was our pal Luke Fickell)
Jim Chaney was OC, left after year 2 to become OC at Pitt
Sam Pittman was AHC/OL/RC and the best recruiter, left after year 3 to become OL coach at Georgia
Robb Smith was Ash's replacement as DC, left after year 4 to become DC at Minnesota

One of his three biggest staff pieces left for a non-promotion after every season. Gives one pause.

By contrast he only lost Chryst and Doeren at Wisconsin to quality head coaching opportunities.
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It is a bit concerning, though I think it is pretty easy to argue that while the titles were the same/similar for Ash and Pittman they weren’t necessarily lateral moves because they did move to better P5 schools. And, in fact, the moves likely helped them get their eventual HC jobs.
 
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altenberger22 said:
I agree. And I just can't see IW being our QB under Bielema. I hope he stays, and I hope we benefit from his athleticism for another 3-4 years -- but I speculate it will be at WR.

Fully expecting the 2021 roster to be a major overhaul, and I hope it's 40% improved over 2020. (Naturally, that improvement will come from transfers-in, transfers-out, a couple of new/unexpected HS recruits and the extension of several of our current seniors for one additional year.)
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Honestly I'm not going to take a side one way or the other with IW at QB. I want to see it play out. I think BB will actually have a relatively modern offense and IW will get a chance to stick at QB. I lean on the side that he will eventually move to WR, but I kinda think he's going to get his chance at QB.

I think the first thing is the roster. And with this crazy year, the first think he's going to have to do is figure out how to keep the guys he wants that are considering transferring out of here. Then he's going to have to find the guys out in the transfer portal that can come in and contribute immediately, and hit the high school recruiting trail hard. That's a ton to do, and I'm glad it's someone with BB's coaching experience that is taking this on.
 
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Mike55
WINTer said:
Honestly I'm not going to take a side one way or the other with IW at QB. I want to see it play out. I think BB will actually have a relatively modern offense and IW will get a chance to stick at QB. I lean on the side that he will eventually move to WR, but I kinda think he's going to get his chance at QB.

I think the first thing is the roster. And with this crazy year, the first think he's going to have to do is figure out how to keep the guys he wants that are considering transferring out of here. Then he's going to have to find the guys out in the transfer portal that can come in and contribute immediately, and hit the high school recruiting trail hard. That's a ton to do, and I'm glad it's someone with BB's coaching experience that is taking this on.
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Did we see recently after the BB hire that IW was basically quoted as saying, "Whatever is asked of me, I'll do." Does this include switching positions?
 
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226ForbesHall
OCs are usually QB coaches. Swing for the fences: Brandon Streeter, Clemson's QB coach -- he has OC experience. Double his salary to a million. Bring in Nate to learn under him. Streeter probably gone in 2-3 years, but then Nate will be ready. Streeter likely to get elevated when Elliott leaves; may be waiting for that. I'd at last call to gauge his interest. Swing for the fences.
 
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ILL_INI
KevinC said:
Run it, run it, and run it some more.
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Not always:
Gohogs14 said:
I do think people have a misconception when it comes to his preferred style of offense. He’s a defensive-minded coach so I don’t think he’s married to one style of offense. It frustrated me to see people say that he didn’t work out here because he tried to “out Alabama-Alabama” because offense wasn’t really the problem, we finished 2nd in the SEC in scoring in 2015 and led the conference in passing in 2016. On top of that he blew out LSU twice and nearly beat Alabama (lost 14-13 on a missed extra point). Pretty sure under him there was a stat where we lost more close games (7 or fewer points) than any other P5 team in the country. So we were so close to winning 9-10 games a couple of times under him just kept finding ways to not quite get it done. Looking back on it we had quite a few players on his teams that are still playing in the NFL, he did a good job at getting guys drafted early on. I want to say we were actually top 5-6 in the SEC in quantity of players drafted, though most of them were in the mid to late rounds.
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altenberger22
Mike55 said:
Did we see recently after the BB hire that IW was basically quoted as saying, "Whatever is asked of me, I'll do." Does this include switching positions?
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I did see that comment by IW. I read it twice and interpreted as, "I'll run the Illini offense however BB deems most appropriate. If that means rushing 30 times a game, I can handle it. If that instead means passing 45 times a game, I can do that too."

I certainly hope he meant it even more broadly! Heading into his 3rd with the program, I still don't think he can hit 50% of his passes.
 
#115      
mhuml32
Title said:
I saw the games, not highlights. This is something I am not guessing about, this is something I know (IW playing defense).

2. I respect your opinion as well but, saying a running QB is the better option against a team who struggles against the pass on defense doesn't make sense to me. There is no way you watched Penn State and thought if we do what we did against Rutgers we would have a chance to win. If you did, that is where we differ. Most teams threw for 200 plus yards against them. I will agree to disagree on this one.
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I know this is taking us further down the rabbit hole but MaxPreps has (surprisingly) comprehensive stats of the 2018 Trinity team and IW is listed as having one tackle for the whole season.

https://www.maxpreps.com/high-schoo...tans-(st-louis,mo)/football-fall-18/stats.htm

Seems pretty unlikely that these stats would imply he was playing defense. I would guess that one tackle was after an offensive turnover.
 
#116      
mhuml32
hermie1985 said:
IW vs Peters isn’t that hard to understand. Lovie liked Peters. Rod Smith liked IW. Saturday Rod was in charge.
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This is where I'm at. Rod knows he's looking for another job next year and wants to showcase his offensive preferences based on playing the QB most aligned with his style. I don't think BP was blindsided (if they truly only walked through the very first play of the game, that's a serious indictment on the interim coaching staff), nor should he base the decisions made from Saturday on his future plans. Bielema is going to have to decide the direction of his offense in the coming weeks and that will lead to one of BP or IW transferring (maybe other QBs will transfer as well, especially if Bielema wants more pure pocket passers).
 
#117      
dsg
Mike55 said:
Did we see recently after the BB hire that IW was basically quoted as saying, "Whatever is asked of me, I'll do." Does this include switching positions?
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Here is what Isaiah said when asked if he would be willing to run a different style of offense ....

 
#118      
Title
mhuml32 said:
I know this is taking us further down the rabbit hole but MaxPreps has (surprisingly) comprehensive stats of the 2018 Trinity team and IW is listed as having one tackle for the whole season.

https://www.maxpreps.com/high-schoo...tans-(st-louis,mo)/football-fall-18/stats.htm

Seems pretty unlikely that these stats would imply he was playing defense. I would guess that one tackle was after an offensive turnover.
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That is from the Cincy game. He had 2 Tackles in the State game as well.
 
#120      
IllinoisOKC
Soooo is it still anybody’s guess on who he brings in or retains on the staff? Didn’t know if anyone had heard any names besides the ones guys like werner have thrown out there or connecting the dots with his coaching tree for potential fits.
 
#121      
NJJ871
IllinoisOKC said:
Soooo is it still anybody’s guess on who he brings in or retains on the staff? Didn’t know if anyone had heard any names besides the ones guys like werner have thrown out there or connecting the dots with his coaching tree for potential fits.
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I'm pretty confident that no one has heard any names from Bielema or from anyone that matters, but on page 2 of this thread Gritty had a really nice list of some of the possible/likely coordinator names.
 
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