The tattoo is about as annoying as Stricker wearing a Wisky hat at BB games. LOL
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I agree with you. I've always liked Bellamy and he's paid his coaching dues.
Having Dudek say that is a huge deal. Dudek's advancement as a player with Bellamy's help is a pretty big positive.
It's also nice to have a former player on staff who remembers what it was like when we were good, when winning records and bowl games where normal.
I am assuming the new DC either coached yesterday or will be coaching over the next 3 days and that's why there has been no announcement. Narrows it down to about 20 teams to look for connections to Bielema 
ILFaninFL
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I'll leave that to Gritty as I get my drink on today.I am assuming the new DC either coached yesterday or will be coaching over the next 3 days and that's why there has been no announcement. Narrows it down to about 20 teams to look for connections to Bielema
Bored and went through some teams. Not much to find on the staffs of Tulsa, Ball State, Army, etc. that would make sense. Then checked out the Cincy staff and saw Jon Tenuta. Maybe? But that would be pretty blah. Too lazy to keep looking.
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I just assumed we were waiting for the Alabama, Clemson and Ohio St seasons to be done so we can poach their staffs to fill out the rest of our coaches
Altgeld, great post of silly bull!!!!! That’s a fact. I talked to a strength coach of a school that’s playing in a big bowl game in the next couple of days. He told me they had the best off season they have ever had for strength and conditioning. They were so limited on time and spacing, they cut out all the bull!!!! and had a record amount of PR’s set and very few injuries. They also kicked the players out of the facility when practice was done. Sometimes these fancy facilities are a detriment because the kids just hang around all day and do more of that silly bull!!!! on their own. This impacts their recovery. Lou’s Strength program was ok, it’s the nonsense they did for conditioning and lack of speed development
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Somebody is going to make Al Washington (LB Coach at tOSU) a DC before too long.I just assumed we were waiting for the Alabama, Clemson and Ohio St seasons to be done so we can poach their staffs to fill out the rest of our coaches
Are you just saying or are you 'JUST SAYIN'?
Great..now I read up on Al Washington and have high aspirations for our next dc..
Go BB and get AW if he is available.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Just sayin.
Someone just mentioned the OSU staff, there's no particular connection there.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
That was my point. I wonder why an S&C coach has to do anything beyond prescribe and monitor programming for, say, five lifts, getting these guys as strong as possible, and then sending them to practice. It mystifies me so I'm curious about the prevailing methods.
There's an age old argument in the S&C world about heavy weights and how it does or does not effect elasticity and speed. Everyone has their own philosophy but I agree, whatever Lou had going did not look like it helped the teams explosiveness or speed. Hopefully the new guy can fix that while also maintaining strength.
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I think S&C is another one of those things that looks simple on the surface but can be more complex than you think. Pro and top college teams have been implementing more and more technology into these programs to track performance better than just looking at PRs.
Things like high tech heart rate monitors during cardio to make sure guys aren't being over or under worked. Bod Pods or similar methods that track body fat %, lean muscle mass and caloric requirements so they can develop a nutrition plan around that. It's more than just hitting the gym and doing core lifts.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
Hmmm. OK. I'll take your word for it regarding the debate. I can't understand how anyone can make a cogent argument that a young man having a 600 lb. deadlift, 500 lb. squat and 400 lb. power clean has inferior explosiveness to a peer possessing less strength and power. Strength is the ability to exert force against an external resistance, whether that resistance is the ground or a 300 lb. lineman. Power is ability to express that strength quickly. A long-distance runner clearly faces a trade-off between increased muscle mass and speed over many miles. A DB, LB, RB, or lineman? That point of diminishing returns, if it even practically exists for them, is pretty difficult to reach.
In '90, after finishing grad school in C-U, I took a trip out west with my roommate. On the way back he and I spent the night in Lincoln, Nebraska. I wandered over to Memorial Stadium late on a September afternoon and stumbled upon (I kid you not) the "Husker Strength Museum" in the NW tower of the stadium. It was basically a shrine to the systematic processes that the Nebraska coaching staff under Bob Devaney in the '60s applied to developing players, which apparently became the norm in D-1 over succeeding years. At the time, as an engineer, I was both intrigued and found it a bit humorous. But I didn't lift, beyond farting around on the Universal machines at IMPE, and so had no experience of progressive training. Not until many years later when I began proper barbell training did I really get it. It seems, however, that the Nebraska method fell by the wayside long ago when jumping onto boxes and balancing on BOSU balls infiltrated training rooms. I don't know the history so can't say.
My suspicion, based on a lot of reading and listening to others who have developed a rigorous biomechanical model of barbell training, is that the remit of an S&C coach, whether at high-school, D-1, or pro levels, is actually fairly simple, but that relatively few coaches know how to coach and program the lifts properly. And they can hide behind the inevitability of 18-22 year-old genetic outliers getting stronger over those four years no matter what you do with them, in the absence of a benchmark for comparison. Hence, the obfuscation of what others have termed "silly b------t" and the introduction of complexity to mask what is actually a straightforward, though challenging and difficult, process. It also appears that head coaches are uninformed consumers of the S&C product, which creates incentives for S&C coaches to make their jobs as convoluted as possible.
I also have long suspected that many of the the injuries in football, and basketball, could be prevented via stronger players. This is because the compound barbell lifts train the entire musculoskeletal system, including the bones and connective tissue. I doubt these are novel observations but I rarely if ever see pundits make the connection. It's an important topic worthy of kicking around and I don't see it discussed, let alone intelligently.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
I respectfully differ. It's likely a lot simpler than it appears in terms of economy of methods than it appears. And a lot more difficult in terms of the psychological toughness and discipline it requires to master and sustain progress on the lifts, and coach and program these properly across a fleet of players. A set of heavy fives on deadlifts or squats is a cardio event. If you're not gassed afterward you're not lifting enough. A heart monitor isn't required. And if it is, then that's probably a sign that overtraining is knocking at the door.
Nutrition is certainly a central component, but it's peripheral to what a S&C coach does (or should do.) And muscle mass is muscle mass. It can't be lean. We gain muscle and fat when we train, as we can't have one without the other, and we lose both when we lose weight, which is also unavoidable. Am not trying to be argumentative but the topic is intriguing and central to football success.
Nutrition is certainly a central component, but it's peripheral to what a S&C coach does (or should do.) And muscle mass is muscle mass. It can't be lean. We gain muscle and fat when we train, as we can't have one without the other, and we lose both when we lose weight, which is also unavoidable. Am not trying to be argumentative but the topic is intriguing and central to football success.
Pat McAfee said on his show that Fleck is drawing interest from NFL teams. Anybody on that staff with BB ties?
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Me: "My one wish is that Pat Fitzgerald not be coach of the Bears"
Cursed Monkey Paw: <finger goes down>
I see fleck as more of a NYJ or Jags hire than a Bears hire. Bears like their hard-nosed guys which is way more of a Fitz aptitude.
I think that with S&C, you need a balance of speed/explosiveness and strength and analytics can help provide that balance.
There have been years where I thought Illinios’ players looked like physical freaks, but they were slow and got burned by a guy half their size. I am not a huge fan of Lou. Frankly, most of his teams have gotten by on genetics more than his workouts, and that includes his UNC teams.
If you, as a team, are suffering significant season ending injuries, get a new guy!
There have been years where I thought Illinios’ players looked like physical freaks, but they were slow and got burned by a guy half their size. I am not a huge fan of Lou. Frankly, most of his teams have gotten by on genetics more than his workouts, and that includes his UNC teams.
If you, as a team, are suffering significant season ending injuries, get a new guy!
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I am not a as athletically gifted as these dudes we are talking about. But when I went to a strength program that had me lifting heavy 3 times a week (1 Upper body Push 1 Upper body Pull, 1 Olympic Lift), I got strong as ish and it took me to another level athletically.
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Just going to keep pointing out that Lovie did not hold physical practices. Those players were not prepared to take on the force of a B1G schedule. Now if NC had a lot of injuries during Lou's time there, I would agree with you
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