The Illinois Football Coaching Search

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Of course I can. Because coaching in the Big 10 at Illinois, is ALOT EASIER than trying to compete against Alabama, Auburn, LSU in the SEC West. I mean, not having success in the toughest conference in America doesn't mean he can't beat the NWs, Iowa, WI's at Illinois. It's a different ballgame.

If I were a fan of an SEC team, no I would not hire Bielema. And I would look at his stretch at Arkansas and determine his system won't work in the SEC. But Big 10, I believe his system will work. Some coach's systems work in the Big 10, and don't elsewhere. You'll see Mike Leach will probably fail at MS State because his system won't work in the SEC. Doesn't mean Leach isn't a good coach in other conferences. He'll probably be fired at MS State and go back to the Big 12 where his stuff will work. It's all about fit. Bielema's system is made for Big 10 football IMO. It's not for the SEC.
What system is that exactly? He won with the system Wisconsin had in place and failed at turning Arkansas into a relevant program despite bringing in decent recruiting classes. Paul Chryst would run circles around this guy.
 
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I'm not one to hate on Lovie's time at U of I. It's not like we had options aplenty prior to him coming on. I think the fact that Josh tried to make it work will show to the next guy that we are trying to build a successful football program.

That said, I sincerely doubt we get anyone decent to come here. We're bad, have been bad, and will likely continue to be bad. It's a totally lackluster program. At best we are a stepping stone job. If anyone comes here and has a few 8-4 seasons or better, they'll get picked off by someone very quickly. Illinois football is dead.

I do hope I'm wrong though :)
 
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I'm not one to hate on Lovie's time at U of I. It's not like we had options aplenty prior to him coming on. I think the fact that Josh tried to make it work will show to the next guy that we are trying to build a successful football program.

That said, I sincerely doubt we get anyone decent to come here. We're bad, have been bad, and will likely continue to be bad. It's a totally lackluster program. At best we are a stepping stone job. If anyone comes here and has a few 8-4 seasons or better, they'll get picked off by someone very quickly. Illinois football is dead.

I do hope I'm wrong though :)
What do you consider decent? The MAC guys, Bielema, Monken(s) would all come here and I'd say they're all good options.
 
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I give you November 1979 and Gary Moeller departing having won four BT games in three seasons, and tying two. The Sept. 1978 scoreless tie in Memorial Stadium with eventually-winless Northwestern (0-10-1 that year, while we went 1-8-2) is reputed to have been the worst BT football game in decades. (Did anyone here actually see it?)


And then Mike White, who had coached Steve Bartowski and Chuck Munice as HC at Cal in the mid-'70s, came to town.
Yes, I sat through the 0-0 debacle. Gave up my student season tickets right afterwards.
 
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If I remember right it was over the pay of his assistants, he wanted them paid more so he didn't have to keep replacing them so he went to a conference that did pay more for coaching
Andersen left because of the admissions.
 
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illini80

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Buyout for Campbell (6 mil): https://www.iowastatedaily.com/spor...cle_2cb6869c-75d1-11e8-a4f4-8f9fdf642158.html

Buyout for Fickell (4 mil): https://www.espn.com/college-footba...uke-fickell-finalizes-contract-extension-2026

Regardless, neither are happening unless Whitman is the second coming.
This is as of 12.1.20

Confirms earlier reported numbers, but unclear if that is the school terminating him or if he leaves to go to another school. You may be correct on what we would owe.
 
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I'm not one to hate on Lovie's time at U of I. It's not like we had options aplenty prior to him coming on. I think the fact that Josh tried to make it work will show to the next guy that we are trying to build a successful football program.

That said, I sincerely doubt we get anyone decent to come here. We're bad, have been bad, and will likely continue to be bad. It's a totally lackluster program. At best we are a stepping stone job. If anyone comes here and has a few 8-4 seasons or better, they'll get picked off by someone very quickly. Illinois football is dead.

I do hope I'm wrong though :)
I agree that the program currently is pretty lackluster. I disagree that if someone comes and has success, that we will lose him. Josh will not be cheap like Guenther. He will have the financial resources to compete with anyone short of the NFL and maybe a small number of top college programs, and I am confident that Josh will spend whatever it takes to retain a successful coach.

In any event, if a few years from now we are worried about losing the next coach to a Notre Dame, Alabama or Texas, that guy is doing something very right. Bring on THAT problem, please.
 
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I give you November 1979 and Gary Moeller departing having won four BT games in three seasons, and tying two. The Sept. 1978 scoreless tie in Memorial Stadium with eventually-winless Northwestern (0-10-1 that year, while we went 1-8-2) is reputed to have been the worst BT football game in decades. (Did anyone here actually see it?)


And then Mike White, who had coached Steve Bartowski and Chuck Munice as HC at Cal in the mid-'70s, came to town.
I might have been at that game, but would have been 9 years old so have no recollection. I guess that's a good game to not remember.
I prefer to remember the game I attended that was Dan Marino vs. Tony Eason.
 
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Yes, I sat through the 0-0 debacle. Gave up my student season tickets right afterwards.
Yes, I had season tickets. To add insult to injury Sports Illustrated commentedi in their pre-season review that Illinois and Northwestern were so bad "that it's doubtful than anyone will win this game"
 
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This is a serious question: why is there so much hate for Bielema here? Is it because he is, ultimately, an Iowa product? His mediocre (though good by our current standards) results at Arkansas? Is there something about his personality or coaching practices that I am not aware of (I know the guy is really intense, but so are a lot of coaches)?

I am just curious, because when I look at him as a possibility, the worst reaction I have is basically "*shrug* worth a shot."
Illini fan in Madison here.

You might be surprised that after 3 Big Ten Championships in a row, many Badger fans were glad to see Bielema go. But they were. There were so many gross stories about Bielema and his awful behavior around town, seemed like everyone had one. It was crazy! Sounds like he didn't change his behavior after getting married and taking the Arkansas job, either. Ever hear the saying a zebra can't change its stripes? The Illini shouldn't want anything to do with this slimeball.

Here in Madison, Bielema is remembered -- aside from all the gross stories that were constantly circulating about him -- as a coach who maintained what Barry Alvarez built, but couldn't get it done in big games where he sabotaged his own team with dumb sideline penalties and poor clock management.

What has Bielema ever built on his own? If he couldn't turn things around at Arkansas, what makes people think he'll have any better luck at Illinois?

Check out Alvarez's comments in Saturday's State Journal for a glowing job reference: https://madison.com/wsj/sports/coll...cle_20306cd4-6a69-5cff-9c58-40f7b0e445a0.html

There's a line coaches can't cross, however, and Alvarez said he once got a call from then-Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany with a complaint about how Bielema was holding up games by being out on the field to argue with officials.

"He lost some games; some officials threw some flags against him in retaliation for him embarrassing them," Alvarez said. "He cost us a couple games."
He specifically mentioned a game at Michigan State. Bielema was issued a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty during the fourth quarter of UW's 25-24 loss Nov. 1, 2008. It was one of 12 penalties that day for the Badgers, with eight of them (for 66 yards) coming in the fourth quarter as UW was blowing a double-digit lead.

After a 5-yard obstruction penalty was called on the UW sideline — strong safety Jay Valai bumped into an official while jogging onto the field — Bielema told an official, "He wasn't really doing a good job," and was penalized. Michigan State scored the final 12 points of the game following that penalty.


So, no, I don't care that he's an Iowa guy, but I do care that he's a slimeball that seems ill-suited for a rebuild project like Illinois.
 
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Two things I want to add:

1) Thank you, Coach Smith. It didn't appear to be working out by my estimation - as in, I did not see us improving significantly over the next 2-3 years, and the recruits weren't there to buy more time - but I was genuinely proud to have you represent the Illin with such class and dignity.

2) I'm getting a little tired of people around the Internet who are LITERALLY ILLINI FANS downplaying this job. We have brand new facilities, good recruiting grounds, a world class university in a nationally renowned college town, a young and energetic AD who is by all accounts good to work for and no shortage of money or influential boosters willing to pony up for a coach they believe in. We simply should not be this bad year in and year out, and we cannot allow ourselves to be so beaten down so as to forget that. If a program like Iowa can go from utterly bad before Ferentz showed up (FROM MAINE) to what they are now or Wisconsin can go from a constant doormat to running the Big Ten West, we can at the VERY least strive for hardly ever missing a bowl. Instead, as someone noted, we haven't won 7+ games in a row hardly ever in decades. That is below what we should all expect from Illinois Football.

3) Things not working out with hire after hire after hire is NOT a reason to stop trying. You HAVE to try to get better. Period. If we hire a coach who starts going 7-5 every year for ten years and we achieve the goal I mentioned in Point #2 and fans are back on board and we have so momentum but nothing is improving? Guess what? We probably should move on and try to use the momentum to aim higher. The EVENTUAL goal at Illinois should be to compete for championships. Period. We obviously have to consider the situation and be realistic and afford realistic timetables (even if that is a decade or two!), but we can never stop striving toward those goals. If our own damn fans don't believe in our program's potential ... well, as someone else said, go root for 'Bama. I will never understand Illini fans who seem to pratcially enjoy talking about Illinois in a bad light. Whatever failure goes on for Illini athletics is quite simply fixable.
Awesome post
 
#616      

Joel Goodson

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"In total, the game had 572 yards of punting and 514 yards of offense." To me, this sums up the Moeller years in a nutshell. It was so desperate that I took to studying on Saturdays instead of spending them at Memorial Stadium.

Yeah, the Moleface era was the absolute worst, hands down
 
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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
Yes, I had season tickets. To add insult to injury Sports Illustrated commentedi in their pre-season review that Illinois and Northwestern were so bad "that it's doubtful than anyone will win this game"
Wow. You have some kind of memory. Sept. 11, 1978. Page 74:


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217sports

Springfield
This is as of 12.1.20

Confirms earlier reported numbers, but unclear if that is the school terminating him or if he leaves to go to another school. You may be correct on what we would owe.
Correct, That is what the school pays if firing without cause rather than him leaving on his own
 
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altenberger22

South Carolina
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altenberger22

South Carolina
Here are 2 reasons we don't want Bielema. First, he has a big nose and is hard to look at during sideline shots. Second, he keeps his windbreaker zipped up to his neck. No one else does that.
All in all, we ought not want anyone who is available because he has been fired or resigned. That leaves out Sarkisian who had dependency issues with Wash and USC. We need not want anyone who bleeds orange and blue. Look at what happened with Barry Odom, who was MizzouThruandThru. Got canned. Look who Mizzou hired -- an up and comer, widely respected, paid his dues at the right programs, never been fired. And had not set foot west of StL. And has charmed the state from day one. Too bad they got him first.
I personally take offense with your comment above. It's a look only a few of us can pull off.
 
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I remember Moeller telling the press that he would be coaching the offensive side of the ball because "most defensive coordinators know as much about offense as the offensive coordinators".

I remember thinking "this is going to be a long fall"

The first play of the Mike White era was the bomb and it was overthrown by 20 yards. Memorial stadium rose as one and gave him a standing ovation.
 
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