No Oklahoma or Nebraska in the old SWC, but your point is well-taken. Arkansas became a power with the arrival of Broyles. Not so much before. Wooo Pig Sooey.
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They said he was in NY...
I wasn't looking for an amazing hire. To be honest, I was hoping for a P5 Coordinator that has proven they can gameplan, coach, develop and recruit. This had me leaning toward Elliot/Bates combo or Leonhard/Inoke combo. Basically more of a younger move and someone hungry to create their own success as a HC. Thought new facilities and a loyal AD may help those guys grow and get established. LL just doesn't really give me that feeling, just my opinion and those are like buttholes sometimes and do stink
. But the only thing I can look at with LL and staff, is that they seem capable of developing the talent they do bring in to succeed, unlike Lovie. I dunno, just kind of disappointed is all. I am probably too old school. I will be watching tonight though!Deleted member 747784
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the low number of plays per game for Buffalo is explained by the fact they ran so much and the clock kept moving .
if only that was the reason Lovies teams had so few plays on offense
Just read that article, I think... the one interviewing his dad saying how he's happy winning at Georgia and the money is good enough?
That might be his honest opinion but I'm not sure how realistic that is. Todd's making $1.1 million at Georgia with only $390,000 guaranteed per year for 3 years (according to the internet).
That's certainly nothing to be ashamed of, but doesn't compare to $4 million per year with $12 million buyout guarantee giving $16million total guaranteed (Lovie's deal).
The financial aspect coupled with his propensity to move on I can't imagine him being at GA for more than another year, if not moving on this year.
ChiefGritty
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There was plenty of message board silliness, but in terms of actual reporting the Underwood process was super quiet too. As was the Lovie thing obviously.
All the resources at the paysites go to recruiting, and their sources are the existing staff. There's no reason to think the existing staff has any idea about the search, other than maybe timing, so there's not much to go on.
Search firms are leak factories, big agents usually are too, and when a school has boosters involved in the search they're going to be blabbing to the local reporters too.
Bielema is represented by Neil Cornrich whose other clients include Mel Tucker, Kirk Ferentz, Mike Vrabel, Bo Pelini and a bunch of others. You work with a shop like that someone is going to hear about it. When Lovie Smith's agent is his son, it can stay in-house.
Yeah, i get that. One can voice their concern about being disappointed in the hire. Looking at the landscape, i was hoping for something different. The D3 record is nice and of course its D3, but there are just no big wins at Buffalo. Only thing, as i have said before, it seems he and his staff can develop players which is something Lovie did not do well at all. So, I will hope for the best regardless of hire, just stick me in the old grumpy bastard column.
You know who is living the good life? Agent Jimmy Sexton...
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Doesn't he represent like half of all major football coaches? Seems like not much of a hint, but I wouldn't even know where to start looking at who represents each of our presumed candidates.
I feel like jw pulls his coaches out of left field. Who are your favorite random coaches he could pull? Herman? Stoops? Clawson?
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No matter who we pick, that person isn't paying Sexton as much as Malzahn and Cristobol just did lol
Not a hint at all, but I think he represents 9 of the SEC head coaches, orchestrated the Malzahn contract then parlayed the Auburn opening into a big raise for Cristobol ar Oregon.
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I think it reached 11 at one point.
EDIT: Yup
Jimmy Sexton represents 11 of the 14 SEC head coaches
Greg Sankey is by name and title the SEC commissioner, but Jimmy Sexton runs the league. Thus far in the coaching cycle, six SEC jobs have opened -- Arkansas,
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Not to talk for others but I think the disappointment is just in the perceived level of LL. Not necessarily as a coach but how it reflects the Illinois opening. Like the Lovie and Underwood hires were punching above our weight, at least in terms of perception. This will be kind of a "falling back to earth" type of hire that any idiot AD (aka Thomas) can make in his sleep, plucking the best MAC guy that particular year.
Also, the one thing that gets message boards more/as excited as coaching searches is recruiting, and a 56 year old with no P5 recruiting experience really dampens the recruiting expectations.
We get it. You don’t like the choice
LL may not be what some would like, but to me he sounds like a more than good hire. He is 56 meaning this move would likely be the last one he would want to make -- go to a P5 school, create a winning program and leave a legacy behind. He has spent a long time coaching and has had success everywhere -- kind of like BU in a sense --
If he can give us 7-8 wins per year for a decade with a Rose bowl sprinkled in, I would be ecstatic.
If he can give us 7-8 wins per year for a decade with a Rose bowl sprinkled in, I would be ecstatic.
I was replying to a post that said Kent State gave up 630 yards in the game. Stating Buffalo gave up 578 in the game.
Arkansas Rice tcu a&m smu baylor texas then added a houston and tex tech. Not close power wise to big ten..ou and ok st was in it before like 1925 but yeah I didn’t think adding pre-sec mattered. Its a good football school but the point i was trying to make was in the sec they are average, 176-171 since joing the sec. Most sec schools want to win and be alabama, heck Malzahn never had a losing record and was fired, sec schools think they’re better than what they really are. Thats the only point i was trying to make.
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I had actually talked myself into LL before Lovie was officially fired and was looking at his staff and everything. But as other names came up, I guess I moved off him. I honestly won't hate it if it's LL. I just feel like I have to play devil's advocate because I think there's way more risk with LL than most on this board think. Like his offense isn't gonna get 500 yards against Iowa, Wisconsin, or Northwestern, so you better get some players, and I think the recruiting potential of Leipold is lower than most other options.
KBLEE
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Yeah, the Lovie hire was so overblown. I did not like that hire because of how he never changed up when times were passing him by. Well, i could go on, but the first couple of staff hires was all she wrote for me and figured we'd suck.
LL could very well be the guy to lead the program back to winning ways, but I can still be disappointed with the initial hire. On the bright side, he has the first 2 years of excuses already made for him
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I was thinking the same thing!
I wasn't looking for an amazing hire. To be honest, I was hoping for a P5 Coordinator that has proven they can gameplan, coach, develop and recruit. This had me leaning toward Elliot/Bates combo or Leonhard/Inoke combo. Basically more of a younger move and someone hungry to create their own success as a HC. Thought new facilities and a loyal AD may help those guys grow and get established. LL just doesn't really give me that feeling, just my opinion and those are like buttholes sometimes and do stink
In the last 20 years, only 3 P5 Coordinators have been hired as Big 10 head coaches... Tom Allen (Oklahoma DC) at Indiana, Chris Ash (OSU DC) at Rutgers, and Mike Locksley (OC Alabama) at Maryland. EDIT - That were not internal promotions.
Bo Pelini (LSU DC) to Nebraska, Ralph Friedgen (GA Tech OC) to Maryland and Greg Schiano (Miami, FL DC) to Rutgers (the first time) all fit in that timeline but were before those schools were in the Big 10. Pelini had previously been DC at Nebraska. Friedgen was an alum of Maryland.
There was also one case in the last 20 years of an NFL coordinator becoming Big 10 head coach - Bill O'Brien (Patriots OC) to Penn State. Kirk Farentz (Ravens OC) to Iowa falls just outside my 20 year time period.
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So stay with status quo. Got it. All hires are risky, well, because it's Illinois. Didn't Ted Monken say, "This is where good coaches go to and die" ? Something along those lines.
Probably just need to have a Busch Light and enjoy the game tonight and maybe I can get excited about our new HC.
Multiple busch lights lol
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