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What makes me happy in all of this is that even if TSJ is unable to play this season (and I hope he does!), it sounds like he has some connected people in his corner to vouch for his character, which would bode well for him in still having a shot to play at the next level.

For us, it’s a game. For him, it’s his livelihood.
That has been my concern. Here is a guy who has poured his heart and soul into basketball for his entire life. (Up at 4-5 every morning to shoot!) How is he dealing with this. It could really break him or could make him stronger if he is able to emerge from it.
 
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Here is my second-hand inside info -- the same alleged victim has also made a prior rape allegation against a KU basketball player, and the allegation was not believed by the KU program after investigation.

Bill Self and Underwood are also very good friends.
Exactly. Not hearing much about prior sexual allegations by the accuser since the last thread. IMO, that would be damning to the case especially if both were accompanied by financial demands to keep it quiet. In fairness to the accuser, I'm not saying that happened. I'm just imagining a scenario.
 
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AyoDos11

Southern Illinois
Here is my second-hand inside info -- the same alleged victim has also made a prior rape allegation against a KU basketball player, and the allegation was not believed by the KU program after investigation.

Bill Self and Underwood are also very good friends.
This might be a dumb question, but can the defense use this in their case to show that the accuser's claims might not be credible?
 
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Big Jack

Decatur
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theNewGuy

Dallas, TX
Here is my second-hand inside info -- the same alleged victim has also made a prior rape allegation against a KU basketball player, and the allegation was not believed by the KU program after investigation.

Bill Self and Underwood are also very good friends.
If this is true, I feel much better about my homerism telling me TJ is innocent.

FREE TJ!
 
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We have one person quoting the actual statutes versus another person stating falsehoods in this situation such as "mis representation falls under rape in Kansas law".
Kansas law also states that consent in general must be informed.

It's entirely plausible that the DA and ADA are getting creative with the statutes and inventing a "rape by deception" charge that is somehow equivalent to force.


The inclusion of the radically lesser alternative charge tells us they know they're standing on shaky ground.
 
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Kansas law also states that consent in general must be informed.

It's entirely plausible that the DA and ADA are getting creative with the statutes and inventing a "rape by deception" charge that is somehow equivalent to force.


The inclusion of the radically lesser alternative charge tells us they know they're standing on shaky ground.
Exactly. Although the concept is not exactly “creative” it’s a standard aspect of law that consent/acceptance must be informed.

Again, I want to stress, just because there was possibly a misrepresentation does not mean there wasn’t consent. The bar for that misrepresentation to be material and “void” consent would be very high. In my opinion, WAY high than anything TSJ could have possibly said.
 
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What makes me happy in all of this is that even if TSJ is unable to play this season (and I hope he does!), it sounds like he has some connected people in his corner to vouch for his character, which would bode well for him in still having a shot to play at the next level.

For us, it’s a game. For him, it’s his livelihood.
Not to mention that any chances of being an all-American and big ten honors are probably gone. Especially when he hasn't been convicted of anything yet. Just a big pile of steaming crap the way this has all gone down.
 
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Feel free to quote me, but always remember,

"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."

Other useful Groucho quotes relating to the remainder of the Illini season:

“I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it.”

“If you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong.”

And a few that don’t...

“Getting older is no problem. You just have to live long enough.”

“Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.”

“No man goes before his time - unless the boss leaves early.”

“There's one way to find out if a man is honest - ask him. If he says, 'Yes,' you know he is a crook.”
 
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Not to mention that any chances of being an all-American and big ten honors are probably gone. Especially when he hasn't been convicted of anything yet. Just a big pile of steaming crap the way this has all gone down.
Fighting felony charges is fluid. The range of possible outcomes is insane here, a committee meets tomorrow morning and he's on the court for the NW game, to the other extreme of 50+ years in prison.

As far as being in contention for awards: If charges are dropped by March and a compelling narrative established as TSJ as the real victim, if his play on the court continues it strengthens his case. If he's perceived as yet another athlete whose connections got him off, yea, he's getting passed up.

This is all still very serious stuff, please be considerate of all parties and the narrative you would want made public, as it will reflect on TSJ, the accuser, those trying to help either, and of lessor importance U of I.
 
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