This is awesome and good to hear.
For what it's worth, I think you should be considered a mini-celebrity.
Just need to find a way to incorporate more bar graphs here, everyone loves a good bar graph.
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This is awesome and good to hear.
For what it's worth, I think you should be considered a mini-celebrity.
Just need to find a way to incorporate more bar graphs here, everyone loves a good bar graph.
Chad Fleck
- Eureka, IL
That's a fair thought experiment.
I want to apply "innocent until proven guilty" to all of life, but at some point we all probably realize this doesn't always hold up.
I think they and any company should hold to "innocent until PROVEN guilty'. Zero tolerance is fine but should not mean u are fired or suspended pending an outcome. U are innocent until proven guilty. Unless there is clear evidence (video like with NFL guy who decked his woman in an elevator) to show you are guilty and its just a matter of you shouldn't be suspended or fired. If accused doesn't want to be there while it is going on thats understandable since people are sometimes beyond stupid in their judgments without evidence. Society has sided with accuser and went to far to fast to enact their zero tolerance before facts are given to prove anything. Its insane to me anyway. Accusations do not mean guilt. They very well could but they don't (unless there is immediate proof available and here there isnt). My opinion doesn't matter but that is my opinion
Yes, Holiday Inn could (and probably would) fire a person in that situation. Assuming they are not a contracted employee, which the vast majority of people are not, and the reason of the firing was not discriminatory, which in your hypothetical, it most likely wouldn't be.
As for your second question, for the purposes of the point you were making, presumption of innocence is only applicable in criminal proceedings. There are technically other realms where it can be applied, but we don't need to get into the weeds on that. Right or wrong, the public does not need to presume you are innocent, unless you are sitting on the jury at his trial.
I said earlier that the only hope that TSJ plays and/or his life isn't completely torpedoed by nebulous charge is to rally the court of public opinion. It's seems like some are not concerned for the life and well-being of TSJ. I don't see people coming out in support of TSJ as a problem at all. I don't see any problem with counterbalancing the public opinion who is ready to crucify this young man based on the "quick hit" headlines. The consequences of a prolonged process can be devestating to this young man's life.
Also, it's not only rumors/insiders, plenty of attorneys have come on these threads and talked about how things "aren't adding up" based on the facts.
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Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
That’s not a good analogy. The one charged with the felony would have already been employed by the business, would have a very impressive work history there of 2 years AND you’d have reason to believe the charge was bogus to the point that you’re comfortable letting your employee continue to hold his/her job under the presumption of innocence. The big unknown is what Whitman knows that could tip the scales, but your scenario just isn’t the same.
illinifan31
Former Krush Cow
- South Bend, IN
Lol I appreciated this bar graph from earlier in the week a lot.
But yah it's always been an interesting experience. I feel like a kindred spirit with Dan sometimes cause I see behind the scenes all the comments that get deleted and all the toxicity that can pop up. The TSJ stuff has been a doozy in that regard as you can expect. Words like "rape" automatically get flagged though, which helps moderate things and catch bad actors. We're already prepping for how to handle things if TSJ is brought back etc.
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I enjoy reading all the legal perspectives from the experts. I will patiently wait for more details, the results, and react then (that is probably that engineering education in me). But, I have a thought I am curious about in this age of college athletics. If TSJ's (insert name of any hypothetical player) suspension continues or he is dismissed, then found innocent, can he sue somebody for NIL money lost?
This thread has left a bad taste in my mouth for the practices of Holiday Inn.
IU? Who is this IU, you speak of?
FYI as this topic was mentioned on the thread the other day, but Shannon's jerseys have been removed from the official NIL store again. Probably was just some error that allowed his gear to be available temporarily and was corrected in short order
U of I should afford him the presumption of innocence and his basketball life should be put on hold. Do you really think it would have been appropriate to send him out there against Northwestern with these allegations. If the accusation turns out to be false or the evidence shows TSJ should never have charged he will legal recourse. The University is doing the right thing.
Does this mean that we can't sleep at the Holiday Inn and instantly be an expert at something?
So was that a good sign that’s now a bad sign or inconsequential the whole time?
I asked someone who is sourced - a few takeaways
1. We wont have any update until the hearing on the 19th
2. The hope is the charges are dropped on that date - don't expect anything before
3. Bill Self does not care about any of this, is not involved in any way and anything said about Self being involved is a lie - unequivocally
1. We wont have any update until the hearing on the 19th
2. The hope is the charges are dropped on that date - don't expect anything before
3. Bill Self does not care about any of this, is not involved in any way and anything said about Self being involved is a lie - unequivocally
The Sprouting Divot
Invisible and Bulletproof
- Miracle Mile
Almost certainly.
me waiting for my treats
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
Insider Battle
Calling Loren Tate a liar I see.
And the "source" does not even know what day the hearing is...
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