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skyIdub said:
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Sedino

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Thats fine I don't care - When my info turns out to be more correct than theirs, i don't expect anyone to care either
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Your info wasn’t much different from theirs? I believe Lville said that nothing of impact would happen until late Jan/early Feb. Really the only info that was different was the stuff about Self which they mentioned like once.

Weird reaction my man.
 
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Illinoise said:
I can assure everyone of one thing. As long as these charges are pending, there is no way the University is going to put TSJ back on the floor. The charges need to be dropped or some kind of a settlement reached.

They may have compelling evidence that nothing occurred. If that’s the case they will pressure the DA in whatever way they can. What they won’t do is send TSJ back on the court so the country can listen to an ESPN announcer try to explain why TSJ is playing despite being charged with rape.
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This 100%.
 
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The university is doing the right thing. When stuff like this happens, people expect schools/leadership to take action. Look at last year with Alabama, they took no action against their star that was involved in a double homicide... and they are still hearing about it now. It's best to give this time to air itself out COMPLETELY. And that's exactly what the university is doing. We would never hear the end of it if they acted hastily and (God forbid this all is true) allow a r*pist to play. Give it time, we've seen it the past 2 games - and will see it on Friday night - the team is good without TSJ and will be BETTER when / if he comes back.
 
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Wondering...

Let's say the person being charged with this crime isn't tsj but some ordinary person who has a job. For instance this person manages a hotel for Holiday Inn. Would Holiday inn have the right to fire the person because that person has been charged with a crime or because they are afraid their reputation will suffer?

Are we wrong to think the "presumption of innocence until found guilty" is there to protect someone in a situation like this? If so, why isn't UI protecting TSJ?

Presumption of Innocence; Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. 3.02 Presumption of Innocence; Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. It is a cardinal principle of our system of justice that every person accused of a crime is presumed to be innocent unless and until his or her guilt is established beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Presumption of Innocence; Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt
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I am fairly certain that if a manager of a hotel was charged with rape that individual wouldn't be managing that hotel until things were cleared up.
 
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Roundball Sage

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The Consitution is very serious about protecting the freedom of people accused of a crime. That's why you have the presumption of innocence and proof beyond a resonable doubt standard in criminal prosecutions.
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This Shannon issue is a symptom of a larger societal issue that has been going on for quite some time in our World.

In America, we have the vestiges of a legacy legal system in which you are technically presumed innocent unless proven guilty.

But we’ve have a duel-track going along with this in the common social square of public opinion. And it is often (if not always) more powerful in the public square than the official legal track. That is... it does not follow the formal rules of legality and the decency of reserving one’s personal judgment of the charge made. And as such... a good percentage (if not most) people WILL judge someone guilty of whatever they were accused of until the accused proves his or her innocence somewhere down the line. That’s not ‘legal’ or is it ‘right’. It just is. And for any person accused of something, yes this sucks big time.

But this can’t be ignored. As many here have already noted... Shannon will have a high mountain to climb if he is cleared of charges. The accusatory headlines have been splashed all over sports websites and general media news websites. It is being debated in various web forums. And for however long his legal limbo status goes on without determining final innocence or guilt... this serves to further cloud his name and future.

We live in a time and age when people are restless and angry. They want to think the worst of other people. And we have been made to be contentious and combative. Being fair and deliberate and following rules just isn't sexy in the spirit of our Times. And lots of people are suffering for this restlessness.

We all have enemies or at least people who aren’t too crazy about us. It is unsettling to know that any one of these persons can just float a charge against you and make it quickly public and serve to maybe ruin your life forever. And while the legal system purports to protect you from unfair accusations and penalties... where is the remedy in the some-ways more potent court of public opinion? There just isn’t one. And that’s why sometimes a bogus news story will be on the front page of the newspaper or website in big bold print. And the retraction is days later hidden in small print and in some corner of a forgotten page. And few ever bother to read it.

If it turns out that someone accused of a legal wrongdoing is in fact guilty – then there’s no harm done because he or she WAS guilty. They are getting some tough medicine.

But great and possibly permanent harm is done when it turns out that the accused was not guilty but most people will always think that they were. And will hold that against the person for the rest of their lives.
 
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theNewGuy

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Roundball Sage said:
This Shannon issue is a symptom of a larger societal issue that has been going on for quite some time in our World.

In America, we have the vestiges of a legacy legal system in which you are technically presumed innocent unless proven guilty.

But we’ve have a duel-track going along with this in the common social square of public opinion. And it is often (if not always) more powerful in the public square than the official legal track. That is... it does not follow the formal rules of legality and the decency of reserving one’s personal judgment of the charge made. And as such... a good percentage (if not most) people WILL judge someone guilty of whatever they were accused of until the accused proves his or her innocence somewhere down the line. That’s not ‘legal’ or is it ‘right’. It just is. And for any person accused of something, yes this sucks big time.

But this can’t be ignored. As many here have already noted... Shannon will have a high mountain to climb if he is cleared of charges. The accusatory headlines have been splashed all over sports websites and general media news websites. It is being debated in various web forums. And for however long his legal limbo status goes on without determining final innocence or guilt... this serves to further cloud his name and future.

We live in a time and age when people are restless and angry. They want to think the worst of other people. And we have been made to be contentious and combative. Being fair and deliberate and following rules just isn't sexy in the spirit of our Times. And lots of people are suffering for this restlessness.

We all have enemies or at least people who aren’t too crazy about us. It is unsettling to know that any one of these persons can just float a charge against you and make it quickly public and serve to maybe ruin your life forever. And while the legal system purports to protect you from unfair accusations and penalties... where is the remedy in the some-ways more potent court of public opinion? There just isn’t one. And that’s why sometimes a bogus news story will be on the front page of the newspaper or website in big bold print. And the retraction is days later hidden in small print and in some corner of a forgotten page. And few ever bother to read it.

If it turns out that someone accused of a legal wrongdoing is in fact guilty – then there’s no harm done because he or she WAS guilty. They are getting some tough medicine.

But great and possibly permanent harm is done when it turns out that the accused was not guilty but most people will always think that they were. And will hold that against the person for the rest of their lives.
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This is sadly one of the very few downfalls of capitalism. All these news outlets need to make money and the best way to do that is generate viewers or clicks. People are just addicted to negativity for some reason. "All American basketball player arrested for rape" is going to generate a lot more clicks than, "All American Basketball Player Found not guilty of rape".
 
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doowink

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Fighter of the Nightman said:
That’s not a good analogy. The one charged with the felony would have already been employed by the business, would have a very impressive work history there of 2 years AND you’d have reason to believe the charge was bogus to the point that you’re comfortable letting your employee continue to hold his/her job under the presumption of innocence. The big unknown is what Whitman knows that could tip the scales, but your scenario just isn’t the same.
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Yea maybe a bad analogy. I think you're missing my point....or I didn't do a very good job of conveying my point.....in either case, whether it's a current employee or one that you wanted to hire....you will minimize your companies risk.....by suspending the current employee.....or they wouldn't offer a scholarship to a recruit with felony charges against him....they might offer once the charges were either cleared or dropped....maybe...but in either case they're minimizing the risk to the Athletic Department and the University....which was my response to one of the posts that was questioning why UI wasn't providing more support to TSJ.....The University is doing all that it can and maintaining minimum risk
 
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