TSJ Thread
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Take mine with you please.
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I was going to say the same thing. Autocorrect got me on his name in the last thread. Autocorrect always gets me - took it out to the woodshed myself.
Rocket City Illini
- Belleville, IL
Now this is all beginning to actually make sense. So what you’re saying is Bruce Weber is involved and working directly with Bill Self crashing into TSJ’s world like DMB circa 1996. Also, IANAL.
I wish we'd hear something soon -- I've been wearing my souvenir Illini cup for days and it's gotten pretty gamey, but I'm afraid to remove it for washing cuz I know that'll be the moment the nutpunch hits
Rocket City Illini
- Belleville, IL
I always just assumed pru was really George Bray.
Rocket City Illini
- Belleville, IL
The part about whose if anyone’s DNA was found was not very clear in the podcast. I think he said it wasn’t TSJ’s DNA, but failed to specify if another male’s DNA was found or if no one’s DNA was found. Sorry if this is diving back into the previous thread.
I'm thinking that Kedric's information isn't "fresh." He mentioned that it was back in October that TSJ voluntarily submitted DNA, and that it wasn't a match. but didn't exactly say there was DNA found. He also said that TSJ didn't know who the accuser was. It seems that TSJ has now been given that information, I think it may have just been in the filings that U of I did at midnight Thursday. The story circulating (bascially, a rumor) that the accuser also did something similar with some KU players would imply that they some people know her identity now. Since Bill Self is basically God in Lawrence, KS and he's been trying to help out, perhaps he was able to get that information on the downlow. Totally speculative on my part, I'm just trying to make sense of it all. I'm not a fan of this kind of talk about an accuser, but everything about this case seems "off." Kind of like our play in the second half of the Maryland game.
Just like everyone, I feel pissed TSJ is getting completely screwed over by an administration who does not know if a basketball is inflated or stuffed. I cannot understand how TSJ is going to fund all these legal bills (maybe I missed the GoFundMe page), and I cannot imagine a player that has no NIL money even being able to mount a defense. I understand that there may be a lot going on behind the scenes with Underwood and Whitman working to get a resolution for TSJ; however, the longer this goes on, the worse it is for the entire team (athletic department & university). This has to be exhausting as a teammate, and makes basketball seem very small. If this administration and athletic department are not perceived by players (across the entire athletic program) to stick up for their student athletes (quasi-employees), there must be some obvious questions swirling around the players and recruits heads about their representation as Illinois. Very surprised and disappointed this story does not have more national attention. I think TSJ should try to get on primetime show with his lawyer (CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc.) and start promoting his case. Extremely disappointed that other student athletes and students on campus are not having a demonstration regarding his rights and his stellar reputation on and off the court.
Cliff Notes version: An organization will always protect itself at the expense of an individual.
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
This is where I'm at, too. I don't think details are coming as quickly as they were right after the charges were made public and people are going over what they do know to make sense of things.
Something feels off with TSJ having a conversation about engaging in consensual touching (at least that's my read based on what our insiders told us early on) in public, but then not knowing who was accusing him, particularly if there really were DMs exchanged between them. I think the unfortunate truth at this point is that we won't know anything more until Thursday, and even then information is going to come in drips and drabs.
I'm still looking forward to getting a peek behind the curtain from insiders, even if they can only leave us crumbs and not the whole meal.
Rocket City Illini
- Belleville, IL
No, we didn't interview "Weird Arby's Guy"
In 2011, former 7 Action News Reporter Julie Banovic did a story about a car smashing through an Arby'sin Royal Oak. That story is back in the limelight again after a YouTube comedian edited himself in the story as an Arby's employee.
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If TSJ had NOT been suspended and kept playing, then the Chancellor, President, AD, and Head Coach would have been fired by now. You want a national media circus that portrays our school as a villain? Try playing TSJ WITHOUT a TRO. You must have forgotten the Steven Salaita case. That cost the previous Chancellor her job. You want the U of I to become a punching bag from Champaign to Washington, DC? In an election year? Do it your way.
I wonder though if the Defense asked for a statement from him because if he made one it's not in the currently available files.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Shhhh - let the legend live!!!!No, we didn't interview "Weird Arby's Guy"
In 2011, former 7 Action News Reporter Julie Banovic did a story about a car smashing through an Arby'sin Royal Oak. That story is back in the limelight again after a YouTube comedian edited himself in the story as an Arby's employee.
Rocket City Illini
- Belleville, IL
Sorry I ruined everyone’s distraction….
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
God knows we need 'em!
Rocket City Illini
- Belleville, IL
I used to live in North Alabama. One day I was watching the local 6 o’clock news cause I like to party. This insanely bizarre interview came on during a story about someone breaking into an apartment and trying to grope this guy’s sister.
It was so goofy that I actually recorded the local news….to show people how goofy this guy interviewed was.
Next day the whole thing went viral. Memes, an auto tune remix….all the things. Ended up being this….
A third option for what the university could set as the role for the panel: assess the likelihood that the athlete committed an act that is serious enough in the eyes of the university to warrant continued suspension. No legal assessment of whether the act constitutes "rape " (or any other felony or misdemeanor) under state law, or of legal guilt. Here, they would simply assess (1) the likelihood that, as the police report sets out, TJ fingered the girl for five (?) seconds in a crowded bar, and (2) whether that warrants more than what now amounts to what? a three-week suspension. Leave guilt or innocence to the legal system. If a jury later finds him guilty of rape, I don't think there would be any shame on the university for saying, hey, we looked at what the police found, gave the athlete a chance to respond, and determined that it was unlikely that he did the act that led to the charges. The police must have had, and jury must have seen, more than we were shown.
I also find the rationale for suspension hard to fathom. It can't be safety concerns. They are suspending him from activities where players are completely supervised and present absolutely no risk of sexually assaulting others, but allowing him to continue going to classes and completely unsupervised on-campus activities, where any s risk of him doing similar acts is infinitely higher. The only defensible rationale that I see is risk to the university's reputation. A pretty slender interest to balance against those of an athlete in TJ's position.
One final thought: it was mentioned that the panel had lifted the suspension of at least one other athlete charged with a similar offense. What was the basis for a different result here? I think it would look pretty bad for the university if, in that other case, it was a white athlete (say, someone on the golf or tennis team) who had their suspension lifted.
I also find the rationale for suspension hard to fathom. It can't be safety concerns. They are suspending him from activities where players are completely supervised and present absolutely no risk of sexually assaulting others, but allowing him to continue going to classes and completely unsupervised on-campus activities, where any s risk of him doing similar acts is infinitely higher. The only defensible rationale that I see is risk to the university's reputation. A pretty slender interest to balance against those of an athlete in TJ's position.
One final thought: it was mentioned that the panel had lifted the suspension of at least one other athlete charged with a similar offense. What was the basis for a different result here? I think it would look pretty bad for the university if, in that other case, it was a white athlete (say, someone on the golf or tennis team) who had their suspension lifted.
I still live in North Alabama and this interview is legionary! TY for the comic relief on a freezing Tuesday. Go Illini!
Rocket City Illini
- Belleville, IL
I kind of miss having Brad Travis as my local weather dude. He rocked. He once pinpointed a tornado in Lawrence County from the skycam on the air before radar and the NWS picked it up.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
I remember my friends crying laughing at this back in the day.
Heard from a couple people they expected today but has not happened yet. Should still be soon (if not today, next couple of days)
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