USC, UCLA to join the Big Ten in 2024

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Major college football will most likely be a closed shop of 30ish schools playing only against one another with an NFL-type schedule and playoff, heavily concentrated in the South. All the games will be on a paid subscription service a la NFL Sunday Ticket or the Premier League in the UK. Attendance will be okay at the surviving schools, softer than now, but not so bad it's jarring. There will be formal parity enforcement mechanisms by then too, a recruit draft wouldn't shock me. The current power 5 schools that don't make it will probably drop football entirely rather than bother with sub-major status, especially the ones whose stadiums sit on valuable real estate. I could see Illinois in any of the three camps to be honest.

It will be a passionate niche, but a niche, and ever more obviously so. Football participation in general will continue to decline and more of the players will be foreign. NFL attendance and ratings will also be softening. We'll look at the sport of football then a lot like we look at the sport of baseball now.

Non-revenue sports will be cut back significantly as donor money flows to NIL consortia (the NCAA will outlaw those in the next year or so, and the consortia will sue and win). Basketball will probably be more or less fine. The whole spectator sports industry will go into recession as soon as the broader market does, but college basketball is on pretty firm footing.

It's not the apocalypse (except for the programs that fold I guess), but it's a smaller, weaker landscape. Some of it was unavoidable due to economic and football-specific factors. But in, say, 2008 the Big Ten was well positioned to be as robust against these challenges as any entity in the whole sports industry, in a position to gain where other major leagues lost. It chose a different path and will be an empty husk of a legacy brand name at best soon enough.
I’m with Gritty on this one. What we are headed to is lower level pro sports teams. While in the aggregate the $$ are huge, watch what happens when the ”haves” survive on thsee scaled down semi-pro (talent-wise anyway) sports leagues and the “have nots” wither on the vine and become extinct.
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The golden goose has been spatchcocked, and now sits on the embers of what used to be the NCAA, which provided for not just the two big money sports, but the dozens of other sports that will now disappear due to a lack of funding.
 
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I’m with Gritty on this one. What we are headed to is lower level pro sports teams. While in the aggregate the $$ are huge, watch what happens when the ”haves” survive on thsee scaled down semi-pro (talent-wise anyway) sports leagues and the “have nots” wither on the vine and become extinct.
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The golden goose has been spatchcocked, and now sits on the embers of what used to be the NCAA, which provided for not just the two big money sports, but the dozens of other sports that will now disappear due to a lack of funding.
There already are haves and have nots, yet every year FCS teams beat FBS teams and G5 teams beat P5 teams. Cincinnati was in the playoffs for crying out loud. This is not the end of college football.

I still don't see the Big Ten and SEC expanding for the sake of some sort of power grab that many on here are predicting. If it makes financial sense to expand, they'll expand.
 
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Agreed. The NCAA as an organization left its’ head stuck in the sand for too long. But we have to remember what the NCAA is and always has been . . . a member-run organization.

Long term I can’t see any scenario in which college athletics remain affiliated with universities with amount of money that is now flowing around in full view. How long until the state legislatures or university presidents say “Stop! This has nothing to do with our academic mission” and cut athletics? The sports will wither and die without that affiliation . . .
Eventually, the football teams will be their own entity, for exactly the reason you note. However, they will still be affiliated with the universities via licensing agreements.
 
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There already are haves and have nots, yet every year FCS teams beat FBS teams and G5 teams beat P5 teams. Cincinnati was in the playoffs for crying out loud. This is not the end of college football.
Seriously. Instead of a P5 made up of about 60 or so schools (of which 75% have zero chance at a national championship) we're talking about maybe, one day, a P1 of 30 teams of which 50% have zero chance at a national championship. Oh the horror (/s). Other levels of the sport will still exist. Last I checked the MAC still crowns a champion and people still root for USF.
 
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Serious Late

Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
I for one am pretty excited to play in the BMW (B1G Midwest). Annual games against the likes of Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Northwestern, with non-division play against schools like USC, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech? Sign me up.

If the league ACTUALLY lands on small-ish (6 team?) divisions with long term stability to the divisions, this would be perfect for Illinois to truly develop long term Big Ten rivalries. That seems to be a big ask given the last decade, but it feels like maybe we are finally moving to the end game.
 
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Joel Goodson

respect my decision™
I for one am pretty excited to play in the BMW (B1G Midwest). Annual games against the likes of Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Northwestern, with non-division play against schools like USC, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech? Sign me up.

If the league ACTUALLY lands on small-ish (6 team?) divisions with long term stability to the divisions, this would be perfect for Illinois to truly develop long term Big Ten rivalries. That seems to be a big ask given the last decade, but it feels like maybe we are finally moving to the end game.

Georgia Tech has about the same chance as Pitt to be invited.
 
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Ryllini

Lombard
While I'm nostalgic about the past, I'm weirdly excited for the future. I think as it sits right now, the power play by the B10 could only be a major benefit all teams involved as far as recruiting and especially when locked in a recruiting battle with some ACC teams. We have a little window with some teams in flux, I hope we can find an advantage and make the best of it.
We thought college football had big boy recruiting before, wait until there are only 50 or so teams in conferences that provides a major chance.
 
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If there's 4, 4 team pods...

WEST - UCLA, USC, Minnesota, Nebraska
MIDWEST - US, Iowa, Northwestern, Wisconsin
MIDDLE EAST - Indiana, Purdue, MICH, MICH ST
EAST - OSU, PSU, Maryland, Rutgers

You'd have to have some protected games of course.
 
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If there's 4, 4 team pods...

WEST - UCLA, USC, Minnesota, Nebraska
MIDWEST - US, Iowa, Northwestern, Wisconsin
MIDDLE EAST - Indiana, Purdue, MICH, MICH ST
EAST - OSU, PSU, Maryland, Rutgers

You'd have to have some protected games of course.
We’ll be at 20 and need 5 time pods by the time it truly happens I think.

3 more west coast schools and ND.

Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Mich
OSU

MSU
Purdue
Indiana
ND
NW

Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska

Ucla
USC
West 3
West 4
West 5

Play 4 games across pods. Play your 4 pod games round robin style.

Seed each pod. All the 1s will be in the championship bracket. Big ten semi first (last regular season game) then big ten championship (at normal time).

All the 2s 3s 4s and 5s play each other in bracket style too.
 
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Illinivek23

Gurnee
We’ll be at 20 and need 5 time pods by the time it truly happens I think.

3 more west coast schools and ND.

Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Mich
OSU

MSU
Purdue
Indiana
ND
NW

Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska

Ucla
USC
West 3
West 4
West 5

Play 4 games across pods. Play your 4 pod games round robin style.

Seed each pod. All the 1s will be in the championship bracket. Big ten semi first (last regular season game) then big ten championship (at normal time).

All the 2s 3s 4s and 5s play each other in bracket style too.
The Midwest pod seems perfect with those teams. I already dislike all of them.
 
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Seriously. Instead of a P5 made up of about 60 or so schools (of which 75% have zero chance at a national championship) we're talking about maybe, one day, a P1 of 30 teams of which 50% have zero chance at a national championship. Oh the horror (/s). Other levels of the sport will still exist. Last I checked the MAC still crowns a champion and people still root for USF.
Yeah I really don’t get the apocalyptic doomsday end-times take on this. Yes this is the genesis of a semi-professional national University-affiliated major league, and many people will not like that for a number of valid and less valid reasons. But the CFB infrastructure is massive and diverse. There are around 75 CFB programs that have managed to navigate the FBS outside the already-exclusionary power 5. Not to mention 130 FCS programs and 130 more Division II programs and 250 Division III programs. Many of which are popular in their region with dedicated fanbases, cherished traditions, high school recruiting pipelines, and sound revenue streams. This notion that schools like Colorado or Baylor or Virginia Tech or whoever will spitefully cancel football rather than suffer the indignity and humiliation of playing each other in a sub-elite league, or that they will be immediately bankrupted because they’ve been left out of the new College NFL, is hysterical. “Thank you for your interest in joining the B1G/SEC. Although your qualifications are impressive, we regret to inform you that your application has been denied. Please turn in your uniforms and equipment and empty your stadium of any valuables as demotion will commence at 9:00 am tomorrow.”
 
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Yeah I really don’t get the apocalyptic doomsday end-times take on this. Yes this is the genesis of a semi-professional national University-affiliated major league, and many people will not like that for a number of valid and less valid reasons. But the CFB infrastructure is massive and diverse. There are around 75 CFB programs that have managed to navigate the FBS outside the already-exclusionary power 5. Not to mention 130 FBS programs and 130 more Division II programs and 250 Division III programs. Many of which are popular in their region with dedicated fanbases, cherished traditions, high school recruiting pipelines, and sound revenue streams. This notion that schools like Colorado or Baylor or Virginia Tech or whoever will spitefully cancel football rather than suffer the indignity and humiliation of playing each other in a sub-elite league, or that they will be immediately bankrupted because they’ve been left out of the new College NFL, is hysterical. “Thank you for your interest in joining the B1G/SEC. Although your qualifications are impressive, we regret to inform you that your application has been denied. Please turn in your uniforms and equipment and empty your stadium of any valuables as demotion will commence at 9:00 am tomorrow.”
I think it's because a lot of people on here have never had to suffer the "indignity" of rooting for a team below the highest level of a given sport. Relegation has come up a lot so I'll use English soccer as a example. Millwall is a storied English soccer club. It has also never made it to the Premier League since the genesis of that league and has often found itself relegated to multiple levels below the top league. Yet rathet than "wither on the vine and become extinct," it has retained a notoriously passionate fanbase. There was even a fairly popular Elijah Wood movie that came out in 2005 about English soccer hooligans, and they used the Millwall firm as the protagonist group.
 
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sacraig

The desert
Add me to the list of people genuinely confused by the genre of post that is:

"If only you could envision what is coming, it's going to be [literal to-the-letter description of college football as it currently is today]"
Seems fairly likely that, if we end up with two superconferences, they'll divide into, say, 3 divisions each to facilitate scheduling. The result would be... a power 6 group of divisions, a handful of smaller decent conferences outside of those 6 (the non-SEC/B1G but still big conferences). Then a bunch of also-rans.

So basically it's the current status quo but with the SEC and B1G having taken over some of the power previously held by the NCAA, Pac-12, ACC, and Big 12.
 
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redwingillini11

White and Sixth
North Aurora
I think it's because a lot of people on here have never had to suffer the "indignity" of rooting for a team below the highest level of a given sport. Relegation has come up a lot so I'll use English soccer as a example. Millwall is a storied English soccer club. It has also never made it to the Premier League since the genesis of that league and has often found itself relegated to multiple levels below the top league. Yet rathet than "wither on the vine and become extinct," it has retained a notoriously passionate fanbase. There was even a fairly popular Elijah Wood movie that came out in 2005 about English soccer hooligans, and they used the Millwall firm as the protagonist group.
The University of Illinois playing in the same football league as NIU, Ball State, all the directional Michigans, Bowling Green, Illinois State, SIU, Akron, etc. I'm sorry no I am not remotely interested in that. I don't care if we dominate that league. It would be brutal to have that happen to us.

Plus you point out that Millwall has never been in the Premier League. That is not us. We have gone to Rose Bowls. We have won the conference. Consider how a team like Everton would feel being relegated down.
 
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I think it's because a lot of people on here have never had to suffer the "indignity" of rooting for a team below the highest level of a given sport. Relegation has come up a lot so I'll use English soccer as a example. Millwall is a storied English soccer club. It has also never made it to the Premier League since the genesis of that league and has often found itself relegated to multiple levels below the top league. Yet rathet than "wither on the vine and become extinct," it has retained a notoriously passionate fanbase. There was even a fairly popular Elijah Wood movie that came out in 2005 about English soccer hooligans, and they used the Millwall firm as the protagonist group.
I like the analogy although The Football Factory (Chelsea) is a way better film than that Elijah Wood Millwall one.

Another exhibit in support of the “college football isn’t the next horse racing” argument is North Dakota State. For reasons I don’t really understand, I apparently have a lot of relatives living in North Dakota. They are all mega-loyal super over-the-top diehard NDSU fanatics. They wear 7 days a week/365 days a year logo apparel green and yellow uniforms like some kind of hayseed Star Trek. They travel in masse to every road game. It’s Orange Krush for 50 year old dads. Especially when they play FBS opponents outside the conference. And why wouldn’t they? The team just destroys. I don’t think there’s a single fanbase in all America that’s gotten a steadier and more intense dose of pure college football feel-good adrenaline rush opioid blast straight to the veins over the past decade than those NDSU folks. I mean that is a fan experience I wish we could feel even a tenth of.

I get that for a lot of people, their fan persona is wrapped up in pride and arrogance that their team is big time, that it plays in a top conference, under the spotlights, exclusive of everyone else. On some level we all want that country club membership. But that’s more of a message board/social media smack talk braggadocio thing. It doesn’t necessarily correlate to the thrills you get actually following and watching the team. As Illinois fans we should understand that better than anyone.

So sure there’s a lot to not like about the idea of media centric superconferences. In fact I don’t personally have a rosy outlook on what that will be like. But go tell the NDSU maniacs that it represents the first stage of rigor mortis in the dead corpse of a once great institution. If you talk to any of my relatives they won’t even understand what most of those words mean.
 
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sacraig

The desert
This thread is everything I hoped it'd be when I heard the news. Conference expansion threads have always been my favorite on here. The juxtaposition between the doom and gloom traditionalists vs. the adapt or die crowd makes for incredibly entertaining content. Thank you, Loyalty, for delivering.
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Most of the doom and gloom crowd will adapt anyway. They'll just complain about it the whole time.
 
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I like the pod idea pick 4 or 5 schools in football and you can at least be a division champ and if pod plays another pod schedules would be even. Conference championship can be played in the Rose Bowl in December

For basketball you could have a mini tournament with games that a team play only once and move the games to neutral court if you win you play the winner of the other game the next day
 
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