skyIdub
Winged Warrior
I’m just kinda jacked up thinking the quality of B1G cheerleading is going to go way up
Seemed like a good time to just leave these here. LAD+ Fun Fact: USC does not have "cheerleaders"...they have "song girls".
USC, UCLA to join the Big Ten in 2024
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Seemed like a good time to just leave these here. LAD+ Fun Fact: USC does not have "cheerleaders"...they have "song girls".
Technically not true, even illegal payments are considered taxable income...You do know that Al Capone went to jail for tax evasion.
Not to mention "The Girls Of the B1G".I’m just kinda jacked up thinking the quality of B1G cheerleading is going to go way up
DeonThomas
- South Carolina
I have trouble getting past your first seven words.........Outside of the $80 million per year, does not seem to be a very rosy move for these two schools. Travel seems to be the major issue.
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illini80
- Forgottonia
I suppose if want to take what I said as a legal statement it’s not true. That said, I’ll bet you all my beach houses that the illegal payments that have been paid to athletes in the past 50 years were not properly filed on a single tax return. Of course illegal money was what Capone owed taxes on so he clearly wasn’t going to report it. And for additional context, Capone reportedly brought in $100M annually or the equivalent of $1.5B in todays money. The Feds aren’t coming after student athletes.
Btw, the whole Al Capone story fascinates me. Directly responsible for the killing of up to 50 people, built a criminal empire worth hundreds of millions 100 years ago, and served a mere 7 years for tax evasion.
I know I'm getting off topic, but the feds aren't going after the folks bringing in $1.5 billion annually. They have very expensive lawyers and shell company after shell company in foreign countries that makes it too resource intensive to go after, let alone prove in court. The student athletes might be easy money and give them some headlines.
I am late to this. I kept looking for discussion about the conference realignment in the basketball forum and didn't know it was basically only in the football one. Anyway, I have skimmed through the posts and didn't see this article posted but apologies if I missed it and it has been posted already. I am not keen on this realignment but what do I know? Although I think I will probably start a gradual decline in viewing college basketball as this becomes a reality. Anyway, it seems as if most of the comments have been favorable or at least resigned to the inevitable. Here is another take from Pat Forde
College Football’s Rich Keep Getting Richer, at a Steep Cost to Everyone Else
College Football’s Rich Keep Getting Richer, at a Steep Cost to Everyone Else
illini80
- Forgottonia
If you are correct, that would be the worst PR move I’ve ever seen. It would be seen as targeting minorities.
Study Shows That Athletes Make Up Huge Percentages of Black Students at Many Universities
In the National Collegiate Athletic Association’s Division I schools, an African American man at a college or university is 13 times more likely to be on a football or basketball scholarship …
www.jbhe.com
illini80
- Forgottonia
Good article and on point in my opinion. Thanks for posting.
Sounds like you just rebooted the 1980s Big East. It didn’t make it either. TV money didnt let those basketball focused schools keep pace with football playing schools, even bad ones.
Football earns so much more than basketball that it drives this bus. Always.
UW (Washington) people are dealing with not only being blindsided by their own conference, but also in having PTA mom Jen Cohen “in charge.” Not to mention the 10 years they just had watching Larry Scott create this disaster in the first place. Alumni of a proud football school are genuinely worried right now in Seattle.
We are so damn fortunate the music changed when we had Whitman, Underwood and Bielema in charge. Three big picture, strong leader, great vision guys. They are the biggest reason I am looking at this thinking opportunity for Illinois rather than fear and panic at unwanted change.
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Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
I gotta think that the B1G takes at least 2 , if not 3 more schools from the PAC, maybe four is ND balks . U Wash almost certainly is in that mix.
Is that the general sentiment out there? I think of the three-five schools in the "mix" , UW is at the top of the list for various reasons.
Is that the general sentiment out there? I think of the three-five schools in the "mix" , UW is at the top of the list for various reasons.
UW (Washington) is sweating bullets over the remaining expansion possibly being Oregon and Notre Dame only, the fact that they may be in the first four out rather than the last few in.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
A lot of different versions of the response that any new entity that doesn't have football behemoths just isn't going to be able to keep pace financially, and, implicitly, that a revenue gap will eventually tell the tale in terms of competitiveness even in basketball. I am inclined to agree with that. But with so much of the basketball elite now cut loose, it's an interesting question.
This is true-ish but you don't want to overstate it. My understanding is it's something like 70/30. It's not 90/10. Put it this way, Duke and UNC basketball are a lot more financially valuable institutions than Illinois football.
The tectonic plates are glowing white hot so there's lots of uncertainty, but my guess is that this stops here. There's no money to be gained for the B1G adding anyone but ND. There will also be fear of the SEC adding ND and Clemson and ending any meaningful football supremacy conversation forever.
But I think the blithe attitude that the ACC grant of rights is just a couple of clever well paid lawyers away from disappearing is wrong. I think that situation is frozen for now and it will be another round of TV deals before it all kicks off again.
I think the question now is whether various state politics will allow the three little brothers (Oregon State, Washington State, Kansas State) to be jettisoned for a Big 12/Pac 12 salvage league. Phil Knight also has the resources to make the Big Ten (or SEC, as ridiculous as that sounds) an offer they can't refuse. We shall see.
Joel Goodson
- respect my decision™
Those guys are excellent to VG stewards, no doubt. But WRT to the state of flux, it's 100% about already being in one of the super conferences.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Yeah they're two different things. As to NIL we have thoughtful, intelligent, forward-thinking people in the saddle which will continue to be very much to our benefit. As to conference expansion hijinks we are irrelevant passengers.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
well they aren’t adding ND by themselves and going to 17. I’ll bet big money on that . there’s money to be made with another school or 2 or 3 out west .
jimmy1illini
- central illinois
Let's expand this out. The BIG can't stop here. They've plucked the big prize out west. It's time for a twenty team Super Conference from coast to coast.
Personally screw ND. The BIG has danced to many times with them and been jilted. But now you have to go after Oregon, Washington and Stanford or Cal. To balance a four division five team conference. That's what works. I'd be more in favor of Kansas than ND.
Here's the look at potential divisions
East Coast
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn St.
Ohio State
Indiana
Great Lakes
Michigan
Michigan St.
NW
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Heartland
Illinois
Iowa
Purdue
Nebraska
ND/Kansas
West Coast
USC
UCLA
Washington
Oregon
Cal/Stanford
Pretty impressive when you look at what it could look like. Thoughts
Personally screw ND. The BIG has danced to many times with them and been jilted. But now you have to go after Oregon, Washington and Stanford or Cal. To balance a four division five team conference. That's what works. I'd be more in favor of Kansas than ND.
Here's the look at potential divisions
East Coast
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn St.
Ohio State
Indiana
Great Lakes
Michigan
Michigan St.
NW
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Heartland
Illinois
Iowa
Purdue
Nebraska
ND/Kansas
West Coast
USC
UCLA
Washington
Oregon
Cal/Stanford
Pretty impressive when you look at what it could look like. Thoughts
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Maybe, but given that they just added two schools on the Pacific Ocean, I don't know that we should have that much faith in practicality. It's not like 17 would be impossible to schedule.
I just don't think ND is jumping. They don't want to, and their non-football revenue until 2035 is owned by the ACC, which is thus currently immune from collapse. When the next TV contracts come and go ND will still have their pick of the B1G and SEC. I don't see the economic or competitive necessity for them.
Joel Goodson
- respect my decision™
Never say never, so I'd give KU a 0.1% of getting in.
If Nebraska wasn't already in, about the same odds (the king isn't even a clown prince anymore). That said, no one's getting kicked out.
sacraig
- The desert
Better to be an irrelevant passenger aboard the B1G Express than an irrelevant wannabe still trying to grab one of the few remaining tickets for one of the two trains.
If the primary TV slots are already full with Big Ten and SEC games (imagine a future rivalry week 202X with only conference games) I don't see the purpose of growing bigger unless another player outside of FOX/Disney want to throw enough money at it to make it worthwhile and outside of ND+1 I don't see it happening. How great will some of these former P5 teams really be after 10 years of games on ESPNU if they're locked out of a P2 conference without the major TV/streaming package?
If there was really that much money to be had out there, the PAC 12 would have had a much better media deal. And I don't think anyone relishes the idea of traveling to two (or more!) additional conference foes on the Pacific coast for all sports for what would be a very marginal, if that, increase in revenue. Really, I think the conference is finished expanding until Notre Dame says otherwise or something happens with the ACC.
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