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I’m just kinda jacked up thinking the quality of B1G cheerleading is going to go way up
Seemed like a good time to just leave these here. LAD+ Fun Fact: USC does not have "cheerleaders"...they have "song girls".
I’m just kinda jacked up thinking the quality of B1G cheerleading is going to go way up
Technically not true, even illegal payments are considered taxable income...You do know that Al Capone went to jail for tax evasion.Under the table money is tax-free so there is that incentive,
Not to mention "The Girls Of the B1G".I’m just kinda jacked up thinking the quality of B1G cheerleading is going to go way up
I have trouble getting past your first seven words.........Outside of the $80 million per year, does not seem to be a very rosy move for these two schools. Travel seems to be the major issue.
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I suppose if want to take what I said as a legal statement it’s not true. That said, I’ll bet you all my beach houses that the illegal payments that have been paid to athletes in the past 50 years were not properly filed on a single tax return. Of course illegal money was what Capone owed taxes on so he clearly wasn’t going to report it. And for additional context, Capone reportedly brought in $100M annually or the equivalent of $1.5B in todays money. The Feds aren’t coming after student athletes.Technically not true, even illegal payments are considered taxable income...You do know that Al Capone went to jail for tax evasion.
I know I'm getting off topic, but the feds aren't going after the folks bringing in $1.5 billion annually. They have very expensive lawyers and shell company after shell company in foreign countries that makes it too resource intensive to go after, let alone prove in court. The student athletes might be easy money and give them some headlines.I suppose if want to take what I said as a legal statement it’s not true. That said, I’ll bet you all my beach houses that the illegal payments that have been paid to athletes in the past 50 years were not properly filed on a single tax return. Of course illegal money was what Capone owed taxes on so he clearly wasn’t going to report it. And for additional context, Capone reportedly brought in $100M annually or the equivalent of $1.5B in todays money. The Feds aren’t coming after student athletes.
Btw, the whole Al Capone story fascinates me. Directly responsible for the killing of up to 50 people, built a criminal empire worth hundreds of millions 100 years ago, and served a mere 7 years for tax evasion.
If you are correct, that would be the worst PR move I’ve ever seen. It would be seen as targeting minorities.I know I'm getting off topic, but the feds aren't going after the folks bringing in $1.5 billion annually. They have very expensive lawyers and shell company after shell company in foreign countries that makes it too resource intensive to go after, let alone prove in court. The student athletes might be easy money and give them some headlines.
Good article and on point in my opinion. Thanks for posting.I am late to this. I kept looking for discussion about the conference realignment in the basketball forum and didn't know it was basically only in the football one. Anyway, I have skimmed through the posts and didn't see this article posted but apologies if I missed it and it has been posted already. I am not keen on this realignment but what do I know? Although I think I will probably start a gradual decline in viewing college basketball as this becomes a reality. Anyway, it seems as if most of the comments have been favorable or at least resigned to the inevitable. Here is another take from Pat Forde
College Football’s Rich Keep Getting Richer, at a Steep Cost to Everyone Else
Sounds like you just rebooted the 1980s Big East. It didn’t make it either. TV money didnt let those basketball focused schools keep pace with football playing schools, even bad ones.Out of curiosity, let's say Indiana and Kentucky got on the phone and decided this wasn't for them. They've engaged with Duke, UNC, and Kansas and gotten Purdue on board as well to start an all-sports conference that still plays football, but is built around being the premier professional development environment for basketball talent, engagement with NBA scouting and the G League, a more professionalized NIL structure, etc. There are ambitions for similarly pro development focused investments in baseball and soccer as well. Amazon Prime is on board for the worldwide rights for the all-sports broadcast package, and Puma has signed on for a paradigm-shifting leaguewide apparel and sponsorship deal that dwarfs what we get from Nike now. All told the upfront money isn't what the B1G will get in the next media deal, but it's growth from the current deals and represents a different path forward for college athletics.
The lineup is Indiana, Purdue, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia and Syracuse. It's happening, the deals are signed, the blue bloods are throwing in together to seize basketball from the two football factory superconferences. The next call is going to Cincinnati if Illinois says no.
Interested?
Football earns so much more than basketball that it drives this bus. Always.I am late to this. I kept looking for discussion about the conference realignment in the basketball forum and didn't know it was basically only in the football one. Anyway, I have skimmed through the posts and didn't see this article posted but apologies if I missed it and it has been posted already. I am not keen on this realignment but what do I know? Although I think I will probably start a gradual decline in viewing college basketball as this becomes a reality. Anyway, it seems as if most of the comments have been favorable or at least resigned to the inevitable. Here is another take from Pat Forde
College Football’s Rich Keep Getting Richer, at a Steep Cost to Everyone Else
Thank goodness we have Whitman at the helm now... Imagine if we still had Thomas!!! We also have very competent coaches at the major 2 sports and hopefully we'll be able to take advantage in these 2 years before what will probably shake out as a major shift in what we know as the B1G. We need to be trending upwards by 2024 and I'm personally very excited to see what BU and BB can do to elevate our level before the next shift in conference realignment hits.
UW (Washington) is sweating bullets over the remaining expansion possibly being Oregon and Notre Dame only, the fact that they may be in the first four out rather than the last few in.I gotta think that the B1G takes at least 2 , if not 3 more schools from the PAC, maybe four is ND balks . U Wash almost certainly is in that mix.
Is that the general sentiment out there? I think of the three-five schools in the "mix" , UW is at the top of the list for various reasons.
A lot of different versions of the response that any new entity that doesn't have football behemoths just isn't going to be able to keep pace financially, and, implicitly, that a revenue gap will eventually tell the tale in terms of competitiveness even in basketball. I am inclined to agree with that. But with so much of the basketball elite now cut loose, it's an interesting question.Sounds like you just rebooted the 1980s Big East. It didn’t make it either. TV money didnt let those basketball focused schools keep pace with football playing schools, even bad ones.
This is true-ish but you don't want to overstate it. My understanding is it's something like 70/30. It's not 90/10. Put it this way, Duke and UNC basketball are a lot more financially valuable institutions than Illinois football.Football earns so much more than basketball that it drives this bus. Always.
The tectonic plates are glowing white hot so there's lots of uncertainty, but my guess is that this stops here. There's no money to be gained for the B1G adding anyone but ND. There will also be fear of the SEC adding ND and Clemson and ending any meaningful football supremacy conversation forever.I gotta think that the B1G takes at least 2 , if not 3 more schools from the PAC, maybe four is ND balks . U Wash almost certainly is in that mix.
Is that the general sentiment out there? I think of the three-five schools in the "mix" , UW is at the top of the list for various reasons.
We are so damn fortunate the music changed when we had Whitman, Underwood and Bielema in charge. Three big picture, strong leader, great vision guys. They are the biggest reason I am looking at this thinking opportunity for Illinois rather than fear and panic at unwanted change.
Yeah they're two different things. As to NIL we have thoughtful, intelligent, forward-thinking people in the saddle which will continue to be very much to our benefit. As to conference expansion hijinks we are irrelevant passengers.Those guys are excellent to VG stewards, no doubt. But WRT to the state of flux, it's 100% about already being in one of the super conferences.
well they aren’t adding ND by themselves and going to 17. I’ll bet big money on that . there’s money to be made with another school or 2 or 3 out west .A lot of different versions of the response that any new entity that doesn't have football behemoths just isn't going to be able to keep pace financially, and, implicitly, that a revenue gap will eventually tell the tale in terms of competitiveness even in basketball. I am inclined to agree with that. But with so much of the basketball elite now cut loose, it's an interesting question.
This is true-ish but you don't want to overstate it. My understanding is it's something like 70/30. It's not 90/10. Put it this way, Duke and UNC basketball are a lot more financially valuable institutions than Illinois football.
The tectonic plates are glowing white hot so there's lots of uncertainty, but my guess is that this stops here. There's no money to be gained for the B1G adding anyone but ND. There will also be fear of the SEC adding ND and Clemson and ending any meaningful football supremacy conversation forever.
But I think the blithe attitude that the ACC grant of rights is just a couple of clever well paid lawyers away from disappearing is wrong. I think that situation is frozen for now and it will be another round of TV deals before it all kicks off again.
I think the question now is whether various state politics will allow the three little brothers (Oregon State, Washington State, Kansas State) to be jettisoned for a Big 12/Pac 12 salvage league. Phil Knight also has the resources to make the Big Ten (or SEC, as ridiculous as that sounds) an offer they can't refuse. We shall see.
Maybe, but given that they just added two schools on the Pacific Ocean, I don't know that we should have that much faith in practicality. It's not like 17 would be impossible to schedule.well they aren’t adding ND by themselves and going to 17. I’ll bet big money on that .
Let's expand this out. The BIG can't stop here. They've plucked the big prize out west. It's time for a twenty team Super Conference from coast to coast.
Personally screw ND. The BIG has danced to many times with them and been jilted. But now you have to go after Oregon, Washington and Stanford or Cal. To balance a four division five team conference. That's what works. I'd be more in favor of Kansas than ND.
Here's the look at potential divisions
East Coast
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn St.
Ohio State
Indiana
Great Lakes
Michigan
Michigan St.
NW
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Heartland
Illinois
Iowa
Purdue
Nebraska
ND/Kansas
West Coast
USC
UCLA
Washington
Oregon
Cal/Stanford
Pretty impressive when you look at what it could look like. Thoughts
Better to be an irrelevant passenger aboard the B1G Express than an irrelevant wannabe still trying to grab one of the few remaining tickets for one of the two trains.Yeah they're two different things. As to NIL we have thoughtful, intelligent, forward-thinking people in the saddle which will continue to be very much to our benefit. As to conference expansion hijinks we are irrelevant passengers.
If there was really that much money to be had out there, the PAC 12 would have had a much better media deal. And I don't think anyone relishes the idea of traveling to two (or more!) additional conference foes on the Pacific coast for all sports for what would be a very marginal, if that, increase in revenue. Really, I think the conference is finished expanding until Notre Dame says otherwise or something happens with the ACC.well they aren’t adding ND by themselves and going to 17. I’ll bet big money on that . there’s money to be made with another school or 2 or 3 out west .