USC, UCLA to join the Big Ten in 2024

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If the Big10 still requires academic excellence for league admission, then the likely Pac12 candidates are UCLA, USC, Stanford and Berkeley. All of the rest are a substantial academic step down from the current Big10 schools, Nebraska excepted.

Nebraska is far worse than any other BIG10 or Pac12 school academically. Nebraska promised to improve during the talks to join. Ten years later, I think they are regarded even worse. All in favor of punting them for failure to meet league academic membership requirements? Hell, they even make Iowa academics look good.
UW is on par with much of the Big 10
 
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It's pretty run down actually... Needs to be completely re-built...
Rose Bowl did $200mm worth of renovations less than ten years ago. There still are some core problems with the venue that will never be fixed (parking egress, narrow tunnels, bench seating, majority of seats in end zones) but it’s a lot fresher than it used to be. And the location and history are priceless.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

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Bloomington, IL
Anyone have thoughts on Georgia Tech? AAU member, located in a huge media market. And could be good to peel off a school right in the SEC's backyard, to show they are regional while B10 is national.
The SEC doesn't care about Ga Tech. Heck, most of Atlanta barely cares about Ga Tech.
FWIW, the SEC rarely cares about any ACC schools not named Clemson or Florida.
 
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So, does the Big 12 just duck and cover hoping no one notices them and their soon-to-be 12 team conference? Or are they on the phone to Colorado, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Washington, Washington State, Oregon and Oregon state and offer them a nice, soft place to land?
 
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Joel Goodson

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So, does the Big 12 just duck and cover hoping no one notices them and their soon-to-be 12 team conference? Or are they on the phone to Colorado, Arizona, ASU, Utah, Washington, Washington State, Oregon and Oregon state and offer them a nice, soft place to land?

More schools are going to ask the BIG for an invitation. If denied, they will certainly look elsewhere. The game is afoot.
 
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UW is on par with much of the Big 10
My mistake. UW would be middle of the pack in the Big10 academically.

They use the USNews rankings.

UW may get left out due to geography. UCLA/USC and Stanford/Berkley are nice geographical pairs. Who does one pair with UW? Oregon is a big step down academically (Another Nebraska fiasco?). WU, an OSU are well below that.
 
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Not a chance. They are two entirely different worlds and cultures. Berkley to UCLA is a 6 hour drive. UIUC to Ohio State is what 4.5?
You're telling me there aren't USC and UCLA alumni in the Bay area?

The UCLA Bay Area alumni group claims there are 40,000 alumni in the Bay area. The UCLA Alumni Association claims about 500,000 total alumni. So a significant portion of UCLA alumni base lives in the Bay area.
 
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UW is on par with much of the Big 10
My mistake. UW would be middle of the pack in the Big10 academically.

They use the USNews rankings.
You're telling me there aren't USC and UCLA alumni in the Bay area?

The UCLA Bay Area alumni group claims there are 40,000 alumni in the Bay area. The UCLA Alumni Association claims about 500,000 total alumni. So a significant portion of UCLA alumni base lives in the Bay area.
(I lived in the bay area for ~30 years.) There are some UCLA fans in the bay area. They are a minority (40k/10M is about 0.4%). Anyone looking to get the Bay Area audience from them will be disappointed.

For college sports:
Stanford (Surprisingly many given the school size.)
Berkeley (You go for the party, and faint hopes.)
San Jose State (A much bigger school than people realize.)

For the pro sports people watch:
SF Giants [Oakland Raiders]
Golden State Warriors
 
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Has a power conference ever kicked a member out? We joke about Rutgers and I assume it would never happen, but if a better option near NYC opened up... that would be nice!
We better hope not, we would be among those potentially being at risk of being shoved out of a football-dominated super-conference.
 
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My mistake. UW would be middle of the pack in the Big10 academically.

They use the USNews rankings.

(I lived in the bay area for ~30 years.) There are some UCLA fans in the bay area. They are a minority (40k/10M is about 0.4%). Anyone looking to get the Bay Area audience from them will be disappointed.

For college sports:
Stanford (Surprisingly many given the school size.)
Berkeley (You go for the party, and faint hopes.)
San Jose State (A much bigger school than people realize.)

For the pro sports people watch:
SF Giants [Oakland Raiders]
Golden State Warriors
I'm not saying UCLA and USC gets you a monopoly in the Bay area, but their alums are enough to get you on cable there. That's significant. You can absolutely consolidate by going Berkley, Stanford or both. I'm just saying it may make more sense to add a large market in which you don't have any presence at all, such as Phoenix, Denver, Arlanta, Houston, Miami.
 
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My mistake. UW would be middle of the pack in the Big10 academically.

They use the USNews rankings.

UW may get left out due to geography. UCLA/USC and Stanford/Berkley are nice geographical pairs. Who does one pair with UW? Oregon is a big step down academically (Another Nebraska fiasco?). WU, an OSU are well below that.
Phil Knight and Nike money make Oregon a national program. No way they’re being left out of a top slot in a reformed super-conference.

UW and Oregon is a compelling pair; they’re already rivals, and traditionally battle for Northwest football supremacy. Big losers there are WSU and The Other OSU.

Theres lots ot losers today. Hopefully this means Illinois is going to come out ahead. I worry at some point the super teams of College Football are going to want to leave the rest of their conferences behind.
 
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The bit about USC and UCLA being the ones to initiate the process could be just PR spin from inside the B1G to make the conference out as less of the badie. But if that's actually true, it speaks volumes about the real-time state of college football. Once Texas and Oklahoma went for the money play, the other major programs had to reassess. At least two of the biggest obviously concluded that two super-conferences was an inevitability. Who else on that tier can feel comfortable now just staying put.
 
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