USC, UCLA to join the Big Ten in 2024

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Mr. Tibbs

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things change
when I was in college, our basketball team kinda traveled with Purdue. We would go to UM on Thursday night, Purdue would go to MSU. On Saturday afternoons, we would then play MSU and Purdue would play UM. The next week, we would play two teams at home on Thursday and Sat. Purdue would play the same teams at home in opposite order. Sunday games were rare, only after NFL football ended.

then by about the late 1980s, things changed and we had games on all different days of the week and not always 2 home and then 2 away

we survived the change

then PSU came in as 11th team and you would have thought the world was ending , per some fans

things change. programs adapt and fans adapt. we all still followed the game

the concept of us getting 100 million dollar per year payouts for sports is mind boggling. It wasnt that long ago that the entire AA sports budget was 20 million
 
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AutoPoster 3000

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All this doomsday talk isn’t going to apply to the majority of CFB programs. If your is thing watching 9 pm Saturday night FS1 games between your beloved Colorado State Rams and Wyoming Cowboys, that fan experience isn’t going anywhere. Nobody is motivated to commoditize that any more than it already is.

If you’re Oregon State then, welp, you had a good run as a power 5 bottom feeder. Your experience is going to be diminished in that sense. But there’s worse things in the world than regularly clobbering Nevada.
 
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ChiefGritty

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the juiceman cometh said:
Ok fine, I'll play. When you say college sports will be gone, do you really mean gone? Or do you just mean different?
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Major college football will most likely be a closed shop of 30ish schools playing only against one another with an NFL-type schedule and playoff, heavily concentrated in the South. All the games will be on a paid subscription service a la NFL Sunday Ticket or the Premier League in the UK. Attendance will be okay at the surviving schools, softer than now, but not so bad it's jarring. There will be formal parity enforcement mechanisms by then too, a recruit draft wouldn't shock me. The current power 5 schools that don't make it will probably drop football entirely rather than bother with sub-major status, especially the ones whose stadiums sit on valuable real estate. I could see Illinois in any of the three camps to be honest.

It will be a passionate niche, but a niche, and ever more obviously so. Football participation in general will continue to decline and more of the players will be foreign. NFL attendance and ratings will also be softening. We'll look at the sport of football then a lot like we look at the sport of baseball now.

Non-revenue sports will be cut back significantly as donor money flows to NIL consortia (the NCAA will outlaw those in the next year or so, and the consortia will sue and win). Basketball will probably be more or less fine. The whole spectator sports industry will go into recession as soon as the broader market does, but college basketball is on pretty firm footing.

It's not the apocalypse (except for the programs that fold I guess), but it's a smaller, weaker landscape. Some of it was unavoidable due to economic and football-specific factors. But in, say, 2008 the Big Ten was well positioned to be as robust against these challenges as any entity in the whole sports industry, in a position to gain where other major leagues lost. It chose a different path and will be an empty husk of a legacy brand name at best soon enough.
 
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chrisRunner7

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I've read all this news and talk about UCLA and USC in the past 24 hours, and about which other teams might eventually join the B1G, and yet the thought that keeps popping into my head is that I wish the B1G could kick out Nebraska. They're not good at football, they're not good at basketball, they're not an AAU school, it's not located in a particularly populous state, and frankly I'd rather have one of the PAC-12 leftover teams... even, say, Colorado.

Maybe they were a good addition at the time but I'd boot them now if I could. Then go to 20 teams with Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, and either Colorado or Notre Dame. I honestly don't care too much about football but a 19-game B1G basketball schedule would be fine.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

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ChiefGritty said:
Major college football will most likely be a closed shop of 30ish schools playing only against one another with an NFL-type schedule and playoff, heavily concentrated in the South. All the games will be on a paid subscription service a la NFL Sunday Ticket or the Premier League in the UK. Attendance will be okay at the surviving schools, softer than now, but not so bad it's jarring. There will be formal parity enforcement mechanisms by then too, a recruit draft wouldn't shock me. The current power 5 schools that don't make it will probably drop football entirely rather than bother with sub-major status, especially the ones whose stadiums sit on valuable real estate. I could see Illinois in any of the three camps to be honest.

It will be a passionate niche, but a niche, and ever more obviously so. Football participation in general will continue to decline and more of the players will be foreign. NFL attendance and ratings will also be softening. We'll look at the sport of football then a lot like we look at the sport of baseball now.

Non-revenue sports will be cut back significantly as donor money flows to NIL consortia (the NCAA will outlaw those in the next year or so, and the consortia will sue and win). Basketball will probably be more or less fine. The whole spectator sports industry will go into recession as soon as the broader market does, but college basketball is on pretty firm footing.

It's not the apocalypse (except for the programs that fold I guess), but it's a smaller, weaker landscape. Some of it was unavoidable due to economic and football-specific factors. But in, say, 2008 the Big Ten was well positioned to be as robust against these challenges as any entity in the whole sports industry, in a position to gain where other major leagues lost. It chose a different path and will be an empty husk of a legacy brand name at best soon enough.
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This is an....... interesting perspective.

I have a lot of questions, but the only one I'm going to bother with is--why will more of the players be foreign? Where are these gridiron football players going to come from and what positions will they play, given that almost nowhere else in the world plays gridiron football and has the infrastructure to develop players like the USA does?

And FWIW, bringing in USC and UCLA puts the B1G ahead of the SEC on moving toward your first paragraph. For the first time I can remember, the SEC is going to be playing catch-up in the conference arms race.
 
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Old.Edgy

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ChiefGritty said:
Major college football will most likely be a closed shop of 30ish schools playing only against one another with an NFL-type schedule and playoff, heavily concentrated in the South. All the games will be on a paid subscription service a la NFL Sunday Ticket or the Premier League in the UK. Attendance will be okay at the surviving schools, softer than now, but not so bad it's jarring. There will be formal parity enforcement mechanisms by then too, a recruit draft wouldn't shock me. The current power 5 schools that don't make it will probably drop football entirely rather than bother with sub-major status, especially the ones whose stadiums sit on valuable real estate. I could see Illinois in any of the three camps to be honest.

It will be a passionate niche, but a niche, and ever more obviously so. Football participation in general will continue to decline and more of the players will be foreign. NFL attendance and ratings will also be softening. We'll look at the sport of football then a lot like we look at the sport of baseball now.

Non-revenue sports will be cut back significantly as donor money flows to NIL consortia (the NCAA will outlaw those in the next year or so, and the consortia will sue and win). Basketball will probably be more or less fine. The whole spectator sports industry will go into recession as soon as the broader market does, but college basketball is on pretty firm footing.

It's not the apocalypse (except for the programs that fold I guess), but it's a smaller, weaker landscape. Some of it was unavoidable due to economic and football-specific factors. But in, say, 2008 the Big Ten was well positioned to be as robust against these challenges as any entity in the whole sports industry, in a position to gain where other major leagues lost. It chose a different path and will be an empty husk of a legacy brand name at best soon enough.
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I have suspected for a long time that the injuries and the insurance premiums that have to be raised to pay for those, will also be a factor in the the demise of college football... YET, I think the rise of Fotbol will help ease the pain somewhat for 'sports fans'.... lol...
 
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ChiefGritty

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Ransom Stoddard said:
I have a lot of questions, but the only one I'm going to bother with is--why will more of the players be foreign? Where are these gridiron football players going to come from and what positions will they play, given that almost nowhere else in the world plays gridiron football and has the infrastructure to develop players like the USA does?
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Youth football participation is shrinking in the US and growing abroad. Football is also a sport that an athlete can excel in despite not starting at a young age.

That's probably most true on the lines, which also of course requires body types that are less ideal for other sports.

We're ahead of the curve with Magnus Moeller, is what I'm saying.
 
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand

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grue2 said:
Why would the Big10 want either AZ school? Neither is up to Big10 academic standards. Phoenix as a city watches pro sports. AZ has good basketball teams (which evidence indicates they payed for). Tuscon is nuts for AZ basketball. Tuscon is not Phoenix.
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Again it's about getting BTN onto as many eyeballas as possible. Most people don't care about Rutgers in NYC but yet BTN has advertising at Yankee Stadium.
 
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand

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RML said:
Yeh, like Iowa and Iowa State. They'll always need to be in the same conference.

Oh, wait...
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Iowa was a charter member of the B1G. Iowa State was a charter member of the precursor to the current MVC. Iowa was a part of that same conference for I think a season before switching back to the B1G. Plus Iowa State didn't become what it would be as a college until the late 1950/early 1960s.
 
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wpr

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ChiefGritty said:
Major college football will most likely be a closed shop of 30ish schools playing only against one another with an NFL-type schedule and playoff, heavily concentrated in the South. All the games will be on a paid subscription service a la NFL Sunday Ticket or the Premier League in the UK. Attendance will be okay at the surviving schools, softer than now, but not so bad it's jarring. There will be formal parity enforcement mechanisms by then too, a recruit draft wouldn't shock me. The current power 5 schools that don't make it will probably drop football entirely rather than bother with sub-major status, especially the ones whose stadiums sit on valuable real estate. I could see Illinois in any of the three camps to be honest.

It will be a passionate niche, but a niche, and ever more obviously so. Football participation in general will continue to decline and more of the players will be foreign. NFL attendance and ratings will also be softening. We'll look at the sport of football then a lot like we look at the sport of baseball now.

Non-revenue sports will be cut back significantly as donor money flows to NIL consortia (the NCAA will outlaw those in the next year or so, and the consortia will sue and win). Basketball will probably be more or less fine. The whole spectator sports industry will go into recession as soon as the broader market does, but college basketball is on pretty firm footing.

It's not the apocalypse (except for the programs that fold I guess), but it's a smaller, weaker landscape. Some of it was unavoidable due to economic and football-specific factors. But in, say, 2008 the Big Ten was well positioned to be as robust against these challenges as any entity in the whole sports industry, in a position to gain where other major leagues lost. It chose a different path and will be an empty husk of a legacy brand name at best soon enough.
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Will we get relegation? That would make it interesting.
 
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sacraig

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Do I wish we could somehow turn back time and go back the all the conferences of the early 2000s? Sure. But do I think the new reality is the end of college sports? Absolutely not. I'm am 100% sure that the B1G and SEC will figure out a way to create a compelling system. Why? Because they'll lose way too much money if they don't and end up alienating all the fans.
 
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dbeaverfg

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Interesting speculation about nearly all facets of college sports. Some thoughts:
1. Relegation and promotion - Would love to see this just to witness the fanbase meltdown when someone like ScUM, ND or Texas has a bad year and gets unceremoniously dropped to a lower division.
2. Conferences - I see most likely two major ones, coast to coast, with divisions. Sort of like the AFC/NFC or AL/NL. Bigger playoff and ultimate championship between the two.
3. NIL/SA's as employees/ other $ concerns - How long before scholarships start getting treated as "contracts"? Instead of recruiting schools will just negotiate with incoming players using NIL $, any additional $ courts say can be paid out, etc. Short or long term, 1 to 5 year length, schools want to keep stars locked in and add buy-outs (just like coaches) to discourage transferring. Players with high upside look for short scholarships so they can move onto greener pastures quicker.

Of course these don't really apply to "olympic sports". Who knows what might happen to them. Love speculating about all this stuff.
 
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oldman

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Why the angst? Under the new reality, Illini football games will still be played. I will make 2 or 3 in Champaign, the rest I will watch on television/computer. Unless the game is a real blow-out, I’ll watch to the end, revel in the successes and anguish over the failures. My Illini college football experience is not going to change despite all the collegiate structural changes.
 
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jmwillini

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Interesting times. I love the BIG10, but not sure I like how this will play out. We have had a hard enough time without adding other power teams. Can we ever be relevant?
 
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redwingillini11

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I want to scream whenever I see someone here say they would love to see relegation. We would get relegated. For sure. And I don’t have confidence we would be able to pop right back up. For a basketball analogy, I’ll take getting bounced in the first round of the NCAA tourney rather than being a contender for an NIT championship 10 times out of 10.
 
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The Galloping Ghost

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IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1542880614755581960
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Knowing what we know now, these conferences rejecting an automatic bid to the playoffs was so wildly negligent.
 
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Illiniguy74

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Ander1345 said:
Buckle up it's only gonna get worse!
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This is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Old Testament, Sir, real wrath of God type stuff.
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... MASS HYSTERIA!
 
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Mr. Tibbs

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ChiefGritty said:
Major college football will most likely be a closed shop of 30ish schools playing only against one another with an NFL-type schedule and playoff, heavily concentrated in the South. All the games will be on a paid subscription service a la NFL Sunday Ticket or the Premier League in the UK. Attendance will be okay at the surviving schools, softer than now, but not so bad it's jarring. There will be formal parity enforcement mechanisms by then too, a recruit draft wouldn't shock me. The current power 5 schools that don't make it will probably drop football entirely rather than bother with sub-major status, especially the ones whose stadiums sit on valuable real estate. I could see Illinois in any of the three camps to be honest.

It will be a passionate niche, but a niche, and ever more obviously so. Football participation in general will continue to decline and more of the players will be foreign. NFL attendance and ratings will also be softening. We'll look at the sport of football then a lot like we look at the sport of baseball now.

Non-revenue sports will be cut back significantly as donor money flows to NIL consortia (the NCAA will outlaw those in the next year or so, and the consortia will sue and win). Basketball will probably be more or less fine. The whole spectator sports industry will go into recession as soon as the broader market does, but college basketball is on pretty firm footing.

It's not the apocalypse (except for the programs that fold I guess), but it's a smaller, weaker landscape. Some of it was unavoidable due to economic and football-specific factors. But in, say, 2008 the Big Ten was well positioned to be as robust against these challenges as any entity in the whole sports industry, in a position to gain where other major leagues lost. It chose a different path and will be an empty husk of a legacy brand name at best soon enough.
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This is a fanboard and we are all entitled to opinions but I'm fascinated that you state these like you have inside knowledge passed down to you from some oracle. Do you simply come to these conclusions on your own, or do you have any other sources you can link to ?

I agree that big time changes are coming. One you fail to mention is one that Whitman alluded to himself this week, and that is the involvement and role of the NCAA in all this . I think the B1G is most likely thinking of getting to a critical mass of schools where they become self governing. Making and enforcing ALL rules for all sports . Its quite likely that once the league finishes expansion out west they do add 2-4 more teams from the ACC sooner or later. Not sure where this leaves Kansas. Interesting situation due to their strong basketball legacy, and just dont know if we can take them for that while holding our nose for football.

I dont agree with your opinion of international involvement. I just dont see that.

I also agree that the money flowing into CFB from TV is going to stagnate or decline somewhat. But I dont see the doomsday scenario you are predicting. Things will change dramatically, but not necessarily into two directions. There will always be haves and have nots, and like the real world, they co exist in everything and some spend time in both worlds
 
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