USC, UCLA to join the Big Ten in 2024

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ChiefGritty

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Just a stray thought, given what a dead letter the ACC is now. Pretty sure there's nothing stopping any of their schools from leaving the conference, joining the Big Ten or SEC, and just living with the grant of rights and collecting the lower amount from the ACC deal until 2037.

The Big Ten and Fox would have to live with those games being broadcast on ESPN, which might be a deal breaker, but in the name of just resolving all of this right now that's something to think about.

Now, if those schools are going to live with half the TV revenue in the short term, what's stopping the Big Ten or SEC from throttling any increases from there and keeping them as second class citizens? A Clemson might look at this deal differently from a position of strength than a Florida State for whom this might be the last chopper out of Saigon.

Anything other than everyone getting equal shares of a unified TV contract becomes a very dangerous game very quickly (Illinois REALLY does not want that door to open up), but these are desperate times.
 
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illini80

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ChiefGritty said:
Anything other than everyone getting equal shares of a unified TV contract becomes a very dangerous game very quickly (Illinois REALLY does not want that door to open up), but these are desperate times.
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wettsten

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ChiefGritty said:
Just a stray thought, given what a dead letter the ACC is now. Pretty sure there's nothing stopping any of their schools from leaving the conference, joining the Big Ten or SEC, and just living with the grant of rights and collecting the lower amount from the ACC deal until 2037.

The Big Ten and Fox would have to live with those games being broadcast on ESPN, which might be a deal breaker, but in the name of just resolving all of this right now that's something to think about.

Now, if those schools are going to live with half the TV revenue in the short term, what's stopping the Big Ten or SEC from throttling any increases from there and keeping them as second class citizens? A Clemson might look at this deal differently from a position of strength than a Florida State for whom this might be the last chopper out of Saigon.

Anything other than everyone getting equal shares of a unified TV contract becomes a very dangerous game very quickly (Illinois REALLY does not want that door to open up), but these are desperate times.
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does the GoR not require membership of the ACC? i thought similarly, for ACC schools, why not sign a contract to join the B1G in 2037 when GoR ends and if it dissolves earlier then can join earlier? but then i realized B1G would likely not go for that because it's hard to predict what's going to happen between now and then.

there could be 2 tiers of shares depending on full membership vs partial (still under ESPN GoR) and in 2037, everyone is full member and all equal shares. unequal shares would be a good way to force the lower schools out (Neb/MD/RU) but would think everyone would have to agree to that (which they would not).
 
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ChiefGritty

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wettsten said:
does the GoR not require membership of the ACC?
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Per this, it does not

Could be a million complications of course. In addition to the fundamental craziness of making a move with a hypothetical payoff in 2037. The next round of TV contracts won't go anywhere close to that long.

But the conference game is now permanently over in a way it was not when that GoR was signed. That changes the calculus a tad.

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unequal shares would be a good way to force the lower schools out (Neb/MD/RU) but would think everyone would have to agree to that (which they would not).
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LOLOLOL at the idea that Nebraska would get the boot over us.

We need to be honest with ourselves about where we stand in this ecosystem. Totally irrelevant passengers who will be in the very first wave thrown overboard if Ohio State can make a single additional cent that way. We're an ugly girl in the audience making fun of beauty contest participants in this thread.

With that said, you make a good point that the schools in that position (and there are a bunch of us), really ought to be thinking about their own interests and use the leverage points that require unanimous or supermajority approval to try to gain some sort of assurances for the future.
 
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IlliniSaluki

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It takes 8 schools to vote to end the GoR. Could the SEC/ESPN & B1G/FOX come calling for enough schools to both conferences? Or even throw in the Big 12 to take a few of the have not's along with the B1G/SEC taking the top schools?
 
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Ransom Stoddard

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IlliniSaluki said:
It takes 8 schools to vote to end the GoR. Could the SEC/ESPN & B1G/FOX come calling for enough schools to both conferences? Or even throw in the Big 12 to take a few of the have not's along with the B1G/SEC taking the top schools?
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I sincerely believe that another mega conference will eventually evolve from what is left of the PAC/ACC/Big12. It may take several years and it may not have the star power of the B1G or SEC, but it won't be irrelevant and it will be part of what I predict as a 16 team CFP at some point.
 
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TheChief4Life

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I may be looking at this with orange colored glasses, but Illinois is not getting booted or “lower tiered” before the newest additions are. I promise you that. The B1G will stop expanding well before it removes Illinois.

And we ain’t even close to being done expanding.
 
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ChiefGritty

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IlliniSaluki said:
It takes 8 schools to vote to end the GoR.
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Read the document above, no it doesn't. Doesn't seem clear to me the conference dissolution gambit works either.

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I may be looking at this with orange colored glasses, but Illinois is not getting booted or “lower tiered” before the newest additions are. I promise you that.
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If there were loyalty to tradition, there'd be loyalty to tradition.

Ransom Stoddard said:
I sincerely believe that another mega conference will eventually evolve from what is left of the PAC/ACC/Big12. It may take several years and it may not have the star power of the B1G or SEC, but it won't be irrelevant and it will be part of what I predict as a 16 team CFP at some point.
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The AAC and Mountain West aren't irrelevant and often feature highly ranked teams. They will never and can never become major conferences though. So too the not-so-power-three.
 
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TheChief4Life

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If there were loyalty to tradition, there'd be loyalty to tradition.
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Well, that is certainly a good point. Although, sometimes I think some of us think that to be loyal to tradition, you have to be loyal to all tradition. I just don't see that as being true. I'm not saying Illinois is holding all the cards here or really has any negotiating power, but unless the top 30 teams from the NCA all decide to join a super-duper conference, Illinois isn't going anywhere.
 
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WeWillWhen

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ChiefGritty said:
Anything other than everyone getting equal shares of a unified TV contract becomes a very dangerous game very quickly (Illinois REALLY does not want that door to open up), but these are desperate times.
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I just don’t see that happening as long as Illinois, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Minny, NW, Rutgers, Maryland and MSU comprise more than half of the conference. None of those schools would command a greater-than-equal share, so why would they vote to give a bigger share to a school like, say tOSU or PSU to keep them happy? I mean, there isn’t going to be a greener pasture than the BIG for any school to leave to for a long long time.

I guess the situation might arise way in the future when Amazon, Apple or whoever wins the streaming wars dangles the possibility of a single 32-team super conference out there, but most of the teams I listed won’t be invited to that party any way. So, why voluntarily surrender revenue?
 
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