Week 2 Games

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TexasIllini said:
Through 2 games, Arizona QB Khalil Tate has a total of 15 carries for 22 yards. Last season, he rushed for 1,411 yards. I bet he's missing Rod Smith...
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Kevin Sumlin is doing to Tate exactly what Zook and Mike Schultz did to Juice Williams, with similar results.

And really, both Juice and Tate bear some responsibility as well, both wanted to transition to pro-style passing.

You want either delusion about the suitability of their game to the pros (Eric Crouch), or acceptance that their pro future is in a different position (Braxton Miller). When you get caught in the middle area, you can really have disappointing upperclassman results from promising young QB's.

The results at least seem better when you evolve slowly within the same system (Tim Tebow, Lamar Jackson) rather than going "new offense, I'm a pro-style passer now".
 
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SampsonRelpenk

SampsonRelpenk
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Second and Chalmers said:
Kevin Sumlin is doing to Tate exactly what Zook and Mike Schultz did to Juice Williams, with similar results.

And really, both Juice and Tate bear some responsibility as well, both wanted to transition to pro-style passing.

You want either delusion about the suitability of their game to the pros (Eric Crouch), or acceptance that their pro future is in a different position (Braxton Miller). When you get caught in the middle area, you can really have disappointing upperclassman results from promising young QB's.

The results at least seem better when you evolve slowly within the same system (Tim Tebow, Lamar Jackson) rather than going "new offense, I'm a pro-style passer now".
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1) I think you're right, 2) I know it was under still under Locksley, but I still feel the need to say that Juice Williams led the conference in passing yards, yards per attempt, passing touchdowns, and was 2nd in QBR in 2008.
 
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Rodney Smith out for the season for Minny. You hate to see that for such a great player to end his career (maybe he can get a medical redshirt), but good lord is opportunity knocking for us this year.
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
I'm starting to realize how comforting, in a way, it was to have leadership that did absolutely everything wrong and didn't seem to care. At least then we could point to WHY we were so underperforming.

Whitman completely gets it, he's maxing out our resources and has unprecedented support from the University administration, and in the impossible crucible of the coaching search world he hit two absolute grand slams and enabled both of them with everything they need to succeed.

And we're worse than we've ever been.
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That is exactly why you do not fire Whitman if these guys don't work out. JW made a calculated risk and did about the best he could on both hires. The only time I would fault JW is if he hangs on to the failing coaches too long like RG used to do. I give 2 more years for each coach imo (maybe 3 in BB depending on progress shown). After that, the problem is with JW.

I would have no problem with JW selecting our next coach in either sport as long as he abides by the above.
 
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Selfcon4 said:
That is exactly why you do not fire Whitman if these guys don't work out.
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This is where I'm at too.

Above all because I feel confident he would be able to learn from the failures of whatever coach he was getting rid of.

I do think there is a possibility that Whitman will be the type to be stubborn beyond all reason about the coaches he hires, though. Let's hope we're years away at least from having to ask those sorts of questions.