Western Michigan 34, Illinois 10 POSTGAME

#51      
So lets deal with the elephant in the room here. The last two years, despite rank incompetence and total chaos, respectively, in terms of coaching, we were 6-6 then 5-7. This year having more than doubled our investment in the staff we appear to be heading in a 3-9 or worse direction. Why? I think there are a few things to point out.

1. Luck. It cannot be overstated how ridiculously flukey the Minnesota and Penn State wins in 2014 and the Nebraska win in 2015 were. Random bounces of the ball, bad referee's calls, inexplicable opponent coaching, unprecedented levels of Christian Hackenbergitude. We were definitively, unambiguously the worse team in all three of those games and somehow won all of them. There were no games in those seasons where we were the better team and lost. Make those records both 4-8 and the trend line looks clearer.

2. Scheduling. Remember this season is the change to the 9 game Big Ten schedule. In each of the last two seasons we had 3 games against FCS or Group of Five teams that went no better than 7-5. We trailed late and barely escaped in 4 of those 6 games. We had only one such cupcake game this year. This is bad luck, bad timing, and nobody's fault.

3. Talent. Because Tim Beckman is the villain of the piece the tendency will be to blame anything that goes wrong the first few Lovie years on him, portraying what he left behind as a radioactive toxic waste dump of a program. That's a big oversimplification, we have a number of good players, but Beckman's focus on Juco's, especially along the offensive line, and the general weakness of his recruiting efforts certainly did not leave a full cupboard. A bad and thin offensive line is a tough thing to coach around, and that's what we've got. Chris Boles and Teddy Karras were a couple of solid Zook recruits who brought stability if not excellence at guard the last couple years.

4. Fit. Bill Cubit is a screen play svengali. Josh Ferguson is the prototypical screen play back. That happy coincidence alone was an enormous contributor to our success the past two years. Cubit also built an offensive system that was made-to-measure for Lunt. Which kinda leads to the next point.

5. Focus on Win Now. Is Lovie and staff's focus on absolutely maximizing what we do right now, or is there more of a view to the future? I'm not 1000% sure what the staff's perspective is on building a base for the future, but certainly if you were in absolute hot seat mode you'd be using all of your allotted practice time, for instance, or spending your bye week gameplanning for your next opponent. I take the slow-burn of the Lovie era to be at least partially long-term thinking as opposed to NFL style player friendliness.

6. Current Coaching. The current staff can't be made blameless however. A team with the talent we have on the defensive line has to have better gap integrity against the run game than we did yesterday. It was a really shockingly bad performance from our front 7. It's clear McGee has no trust in our OL in the run game and would rather rely on Lunt's arm and decision making. But you're not putting him in a position to succeed by abandoning the run game so blatantly. And then there's all the penalties which don't reflect well on the fundamentals work that was the focus of our training camp. And at the position coach level, did we assemble the best $4 million staff we could get in March? Seems pretty doubtful. I would not view some changes this offseason as an admission of wrongdoing whatsoever.

So I think rather than banging on any one hobby horse and arguing against the others, we ought to look at the situation in its full context.
 
#52      
So lets deal with the elephant in the room here. The last two years, despite rank incompetence and total chaos, respectively, in terms of coaching, we were 6-6 then 5-7. This year having more than doubled our investment in the staff we appear to be heading in a 3-9 or worse direction. Why? I think there are a few things to point out.

1. Luck. It cannot be overstated how ridiculously flukey the Minnesota and Penn State wins in 2014 and the Nebraska win in 2015 were. Random bounces of the ball, bad referee's calls, inexplicable opponent coaching, unprecedented levels of Christian Hackenbergitude. We were definitively, unambiguously the worse team in all three of those games and somehow won all of them. There were no games in those seasons where we were the better team and lost. Make those records both 4-8 and the trend line looks clearer.

2. Scheduling. Remember this season is the change to the 9 game Big Ten schedule. In each of the last two seasons we had 3 games against FCS or Group of Five teams that went no better than 7-5. We trailed late and barely escaped in 4 of those 6 games. We had only one such cupcake game this year. This is bad luck, bad timing, and nobody's fault.

3. Talent. Because Tim Beckman is the villain of the piece the tendency will be to blame anything that goes wrong the first few Lovie years on him, portraying what he left behind as a radioactive toxic waste dump of a program. That's a big oversimplification, we have a number of good players, but Beckman's focus on Juco's, especially along the offensive line, and the general weakness of his recruiting efforts certainly did not leave a full cupboard. A bad and thin offensive line is a tough thing to coach around, and that's what we've got. Chris Boles and Teddy Karras were a couple of solid Zook recruits who brought stability if not excellence at guard the last couple years.

4. Fit. Bill Cubit is a screen play svengali. Josh Ferguson is the prototypical screen play back. That happy coincidence alone was an enormous contributor to our success the past two years. Cubit also built an offensive system that was made-to-measure for Lunt. Which kinda leads to the next point.

5. Focus on Win Now. Is Lovie and staff's focus on absolutely maximizing what we do right now, or is there more of a view to the future? I'm not 1000% sure what the staff's perspective is on building a base for the future, but certainly if you were in absolute hot seat mode you'd be using all of your allotted practice time, for instance, or spending your bye week gameplanning for your next opponent. I take the slow-burn of the Lovie era to be at least partially long-term thinking as opposed to NFL style player friendliness.

6. Current Coaching. The current staff can't be made blameless however. A team with the talent we have on the defensive line has to have better gap integrity against the run game than we did yesterday. It was a really shockingly bad performance from our front 7. It's clear McGee has no trust in our OL in the run game and would rather rely on Lunt's arm and decision making. But you're not putting him in a position to succeed by abandoning the run game so blatantly. And then there's all the penalties which don't reflect well on the fundamentals work that was the focus of our training camp. And at the position coach level, did we assemble the best $4 million staff we could get in March? Seems pretty doubtful. I would not view some changes this offseason as an admission of wrongdoing whatsoever.

So I think rather than banging on any one hobby horse and arguing against the others, we ought to look at the situation in its full context.

Great points and very well stated.
 
#53      
So lets deal with the elephant in the room here. The last two years, despite rank incompetence and total chaos, respectively, in terms of coaching, we were 6-6 then 5-7. This year having more than doubled our investment in the staff we appear to be heading in a 3-9 or worse direction. Why? I think there are a few things to point out.

1. Luck. It cannot be overstated how ridiculously flukey the Minnesota and Penn State wins in 2014 and the Nebraska win in 2015 were. Random bounces of the ball, bad referee's calls, inexplicable opponent coaching, unprecedented levels of Christian Hackenbergitude. We were definitively, unambiguously the worse team in all three of those games and somehow won all of them. There were no games in those seasons where we were the better team and lost. Make those records both 4-8 and the trend line looks clearer.

2. Scheduling. Remember this season is the change to the 9 game Big Ten schedule. In each of the last two seasons we had 3 games against FCS or Group of Five teams that went no better than 7-5. We trailed late and barely escaped in 4 of those 6 games. We had only one such cupcake game this year. This is bad luck, bad timing, and nobody's fault.

3. Talent. Because Tim Beckman is the villain of the piece the tendency will be to blame anything that goes wrong the first few Lovie years on him, portraying what he left behind as a radioactive toxic waste dump of a program. That's a big oversimplification, we have a number of good players, but Beckman's focus on Juco's, especially along the offensive line, and the general weakness of his recruiting efforts certainly did not leave a full cupboard. A bad and thin offensive line is a tough thing to coach around, and that's what we've got. Chris Boles and Teddy Karras were a couple of solid Zook recruits who brought stability if not excellence at guard the last couple years.

4. Fit. Bill Cubit is a screen play svengali. Josh Ferguson is the prototypical screen play back. That happy coincidence alone was an enormous contributor to our success the past two years. Cubit also built an offensive system that was made-to-measure for Lunt. Which kinda leads to the next point.

5. Focus on Win Now. Is Lovie and staff's focus on absolutely maximizing what we do right now, or is there more of a view to the future? I'm not 1000% sure what the staff's perspective is on building a base for the future, but certainly if you were in absolute hot seat mode you'd be using all of your allotted practice time, for instance, or spending your bye week gameplanning for your next opponent. I take the slow-burn of the Lovie era to be at least partially long-term thinking as opposed to NFL style player friendliness.

6. Current Coaching. The current staff can't be made blameless however. A team with the talent we have on the defensive line has to have better gap integrity against the run game than we did yesterday. It was a really shockingly bad performance from our front 7. It's clear McGee has no trust in our OL in the run game and would rather rely on Lunt's arm and decision making. But you're not putting him in a position to succeed by abandoning the run game so blatantly. And then there's all the penalties which don't reflect well on the fundamentals work that was the focus of our training camp. And at the position coach level, did we assemble the best $4 million staff we could get in March? Seems pretty doubtful. I would not view some changes this offseason as an admission of wrongdoing whatsoever.

So I think rather than banging on any one hobby horse and arguing against the others, we ought to look at the situation in its full context.

Well said. Spot on assessment on every point. Great post.

Since Lunt isn't a fit for this offense and Crouch is, it would be nice to see Crouch get a few series/game for several reasons: opponents D has to prepare for two different styles, Crouch needs to gain experience and Crouch's mobility will open running lanes for Vaughn and Foster. Currently, Lunt is no threat to run and easy to pressure. Too many hats for our O-Line to block. I feel bad for Lunt being without his top WR the last two years and having to learn a new system about every season, but his footwork is a mess which is why he's less accurate than last year. I'm not hating on Lunt. I like him and I believe he can lead us to wins, but he needs to step it up. He's a senior captain and he shows no emotion or passion whatsoever.
 
#54      
Perspective from Section 104

Our placekicker is the best player on the team.
The ball bouncing off the chest of no. 3 instead of being intercepted in the first quarter could have been a momentum changer had he caught it.
No. 88 (Grant?) handily caught everything thrown his way. He can easily be a substitute for Dudek.
PJ Fleck is wound up way too tight. However, the WM fan base has completely bought in to rowing the boat in a town without a large body of water.
And finally, why did they put Lunt out there with 6 minutes to go in the 4th quarter, even though we were inside our own 15? We get a procedure penalty, then Lunt does what he does best, throws the ball away. I don't want Lunt out there any more, and the name Crouch is used most frequently paired with the phrase "the broad side of a barn." That leaves George Jr. Can't do worse.
 
#55      
Well said. Spot on assessment on every point. Great post.

Since Lunt isn't a fit for this offense and Crouch is, it would be nice to see Crouch get a few series/game for several reasons: opponents D has to prepare for two different styles, Crouch needs to gain experience and Crouch's mobility will open running lanes for Vaughn and Foster. Currently, Lunt is no threat to run and easy to pressure. Too many hats for our O-Line to block. I feel bad for Lunt being without his top WR the last two years and having to learn a new system about every season, but his footwork is a mess which is why he's less accurate than last year. I'm not hating on Lunt. I like him and I believe he can lead us to wins, but he needs to step it up. He's a senior captain and he shows no emotion or passion whatsoever.

Lunt's biggest trouble is for 3 years he was told to play to not lose games with what he tried to do, now he has coachs who want him to do anything to try to win games. Meaning Cubit didn't want him to take a sack didn't want him to try to throw into a crowd and dint want him to get hit. Now they want him to throw the ball down the field take a shot at guys even if not wide open, and to not panic and take a hit if it means getting a chance to throw one down field
 
#56      
Lunt's biggest trouble is for 3 years he was told to play to not lose games with what he tried to do, now he has coachs who want him to do anything to try to win games. Meaning Cubit didn't want him to take a sack didn't want him to try to throw into a crowd and dint want him to get hit. Now they want him to throw the ball down the field take a shot at guys even if not wide open, and to not panic and take a hit if it means getting a chance to throw one down field

This is key. Lunt was weak even against WMU. He collapses under pressure. I get a lot of that is our OLine letting guys through, but he needs to be less reactionary.
 
#57      

EJ33

San Francisco
So lets deal with the elephant in the room here. The last two years, despite rank incompetence and total chaos, respectively, in terms of coaching, we were 6-6 then 5-7. This year having more than doubled our investment in the staff we appear to be heading in a 3-9 or worse direction. Why? I think there are a few things to point out.

1. Luck. It cannot be overstated how ridiculously flukey the Minnesota and Penn State wins in 2014 and the Nebraska win in 2015 were. Random bounces of the ball, bad referee's calls, inexplicable opponent coaching, unprecedented levels of Christian Hackenbergitude. We were definitively, unambiguously the worse team in all three of those games and somehow won all of them. There were no games in those seasons where we were the better team and lost. Make those records both 4-8 and the trend line looks clearer.

2. Scheduling. Remember this season is the change to the 9 game Big Ten schedule. In each of the last two seasons we had 3 games against FCS or Group of Five teams that went no better than 7-5. We trailed late and barely escaped in 4 of those 6 games. We had only one such cupcake game this year. This is bad luck, bad timing, and nobody's fault.

3. Talent. Because Tim Beckman is the villain of the piece the tendency will be to blame anything that goes wrong the first few Lovie years on him, portraying what he left behind as a radioactive toxic waste dump of a program. That's a big oversimplification, we have a number of good players, but Beckman's focus on Juco's, especially along the offensive line, and the general weakness of his recruiting efforts certainly did not leave a full cupboard. A bad and thin offensive line is a tough thing to coach around, and that's what we've got. Chris Boles and Teddy Karras were a couple of solid Zook recruits who brought stability if not excellence at guard the last couple years.

4. Fit. Bill Cubit is a screen play svengali. Josh Ferguson is the prototypical screen play back. That happy coincidence alone was an enormous contributor to our success the past two years. Cubit also built an offensive system that was made-to-measure for Lunt. Which kinda leads to the next point.

5. Focus on Win Now. Is Lovie and staff's focus on absolutely maximizing what we do right now, or is there more of a view to the future? I'm not 1000% sure what the staff's perspective is on building a base for the future, but certainly if you were in absolute hot seat mode you'd be using all of your allotted practice time, for instance, or spending your bye week gameplanning for your next opponent. I take the slow-burn of the Lovie era to be at least partially long-term thinking as opposed to NFL style player friendliness.

6. Current Coaching. The current staff can't be made blameless however. A team with the talent we have on the defensive line has to have better gap integrity against the run game than we did yesterday. It was a really shockingly bad performance from our front 7. It's clear McGee has no trust in our OL in the run game and would rather rely on Lunt's arm and decision making. But you're not putting him in a position to succeed by abandoning the run game so blatantly. And then there's all the penalties which don't reflect well on the fundamentals work that was the focus of our training camp. And at the position coach level, did we assemble the best $4 million staff we could get in March? Seems pretty doubtful. I would not view some changes this offseason as an admission of wrongdoing whatsoever.

So I think rather than banging on any one hobby horse and arguing against the others, we ought to look at the situation in its full context.

#7. Practices: Lovie needs time to adjust his approach to practices with college players. His approach thus far (e.g., no tackling) may explain some of the game day sloppiness in terms of tackling and penalties.
 
#58      
Since Lunt isn't a fit for this offense and Crouch is, it would be nice to see Crouch get a few series/game for several reasons: opponents D has to prepare for two different styles, Crouch needs to gain experience and Crouch's mobility will open running lanes for Vaughn and Foster. Currently, Lunt is no threat to run and easy to pressure. Too many hats for our O-Line to block. I feel bad for Lunt being without his top WR the last two years and having to learn a new system about every season, but his footwork is a mess which is why he's less accurate than last year. I'm not hating on Lunt. I like him and I believe he can lead us to wins, but he needs to step it up. He's a senior captain and he shows no emotion or passion whatsoever.

People complaining about Lovie Smith's high talent, low personality QB? What's old is new again!

But seriously, as far as Lunt is concerned, he is an accurate passer with great arm talent who takes care of the football and frequently makes NFL-type throws that are just rare at this level. There were a couple of "wow" throws from him yesterday driving the ball to the boundary beyond the numbers to out-breaking receivers. There aren't many if any other guys in the conference who can make those throws on time and on target. When you weigh the pros and cons, there are big, big pros.

You're right about some of the cons though. Because of his immobility, fragility and our lack of QB depth, Lunt had it drilled into his head the last couple of years to avoid dangerous situations. Throw it away, check it down, don't try to make a play with your legs, if the rush gets to you just turtle. Those instructions make perfect sense given the context Lunt is forced to exist in, but they are limiting and frustrating. Hearing Lovie call him out on it was surprising and a real eye-opener.

I don't think it's a crazy idea to maybe mix in a Crouch series or two just to give a different look to the defense and get a better sense of what you've got with Crouch. But before Backup QB Syndrome afflicts our fanbase too severely, remember that we've seen nothing to indicate Crouch is a Big Ten caliber starter. I would frankly be surprised if any of our current QB's or Cam Thomas was the opening day starter next year.

As for Lunt personally, he's a good kid who has had a different head coach in each of his four playing seasons. I applaud his leadership throughout the mess he's been handed for a college career.
 
#59      
Well said. Spot on assessment on every point. Great post.

Since Lunt isn't a fit for this offense and Crouch is, it would be nice to see Crouch get a few series/game for several reasons: opponents D has to prepare for two different styles, Crouch needs to gain experience and Crouch's mobility will open running lanes for Vaughn and Foster. Currently, Lunt is no threat to run and easy to pressure. Too many hats for our O-Line to block. I feel bad for Lunt being without his top WR the last two years and having to learn a new system about every season, but his footwork is a mess which is why he's less accurate than last year. I'm not hating on Lunt. I like him and I believe he can lead us to wins, but he needs to step it up. He's a senior captain and he shows no emotion or passion whatsoever.

Do we really wanna replace a QB who can't run with one who can't throw? Have an o line block for multiple run options like a zone read but can't block a straight up run for Vaughn by himself? The receivers are already manned up because they can't create separation, so now we'd see 8-9 people in the box when Crouch is in and everyone in the world knows it's a run play.
 
#60      
But seriously, as far as Lunt is concerned, he is an accurate passer with great arm talent who takes care of the football and frequently makes NFL-type throws that are just rare at this level. There were a couple of "wow" throws from him yesterday driving the ball to the boundary beyond the numbers to out-breaking receivers. There aren't many if any other guys in the conference who can make those throws on time and on target. When you weigh the pros and cons, there are big, big pros.

OTOH, there were 5 long throws down field and he missed all 5 of them.
In the middle of the game, on a play inside the red zone, there were 2 receivers wide open on the left side of the end zone. He missed them both.
We were 1 for 11 converting 3rd downs, 0 for our last 10.
 
#64      
I hope that the way Lovie brought in his coaching staff he begins to fill the voids for next year. Our depth chart is filled with senior starters and back-ups. Would love to pick up grad transfers from the second stringers from the Alabamas, USC, Texas, Notre Dames of the world.
 
#65      
Me and my Son went to the game it was a special time to bond.

The Tailgating was off the charts- Largest tailgating area in all of the Big Ten. We were blown away by the awesome display of custom trailers in a sea of over 500.

Everyone welcomed us in as part of the family to their tailors to eat and have a drink before the game.

Coming out of Chicago we are not used to such a pure act of kindness from everyone one your meet.

I asked most campers if they see an up tick for parking and they say no that has not changed. The only thing that has changed is most campers will attend at least some part of this game. One tailgater went on to tell me that he comes every year to tailgate and set-up big time and has not set foot in the Stadium but this year he did.

Everyone made us feel a part of family in a world of strangers.

Attending an Illinois Football Game is the most fun you can have Win or Lose.
 
#67      
OTOH, there were 5 long throws down field and he missed all 5 of them.
In the middle of the game, on a play inside the red zone, there were 2 receivers wide open on the left side of the end zone. He missed them both.
We were 1 for 11 converting 3rd downs, 0 for our last 10.

Exactly. Not sure how people think Lunt has been accurate this season. Part of it could be that he isn't comfortable in the offense, but unlike last year when he had so many accurate passes dropped, this season thus far, he's been erratic. He's missed a lot of passes by a lot. Hopefully, the bye week gives him and the team time to gel. Because the guys are learning a new system, the team is thinking too much instead of just playing. I expect things to improve. It will be nice to play the BIG West teams. We can play with each and everyone of them.
 
#68      
I don't think any of us expect to beat Nebraska, but I'm cautiously optimistic. This team has something to prove. I suspect many of them will want this win and it'll hopefully show in their performance.

Western Michigan was the game for them to want, to have something to prove. Big home game following a sellout. Now that they've laid an egg, that lets the air out of the balloon for attendance. I can only speak as an out of town alumni but all I see on this board is excuses made for the students, that they always seem to have something better to do. As for Western Michigan, a 3:00 start, what were the students doing? No one studies at 3:00 in the afternoon. Laundry? Shopping? The team has let the fans down, and the stadium will empty out. But the Marching Illini will always be there in fine form.
 
#69      
Western Michigan was the game for them to want, to have something to prove. Big home game following a sellout. Now that they've laid an egg, that lets the air out of the balloon for attendance. I can only speak as an out of town alumni but all I see on this board is excuses made for the students, that they always seem to have something better to do. As for Western Michigan, a 3:00 start, what were the students doing? No one studies at 3:00 in the afternoon. Laundry? Shopping? The team has let the fans down, and the stadium will empty out. But the Marching Illini will always be there in fine form.

We're in Big Ten season now...
 
#70      
Western Michigan was lucky to beat Northwestern, who lost to ISU the following week, by one point. I'm not seeing the lofty rankings for them some of you are seeing. AP voters don't seem as impressed, either.
 
#71      
I'm unimpressed with the defense's lack of tackling ability. This speaks to Lovie, who indicated that he didn't focus on tackling very much during camp and in practices. From one standpoint, I understand why. They have a lack of depth and need to try to preserve the good players they have. But, when you don't focus on the fundamentals, you look like a sloppy team, which is what this team looks like. Also, the penalties have got to stop. This can be so easily corrected and speaks to an undisciplined football team.

My expectations have been tempered after this game. I have long-term hopes because I know we're in good hands. If these guys win 4 games this season, it'll be a miracle. Time to focus on basketball season and hope that JCL comes back and is ready for the start of the season.
 
#72      

Crazy Joe Davola

Sic Semper Tyrannis!
I'm unimpressed with the defense's lack of tackling ability. This speaks to Lovie, who indicated that he didn't focus on tackling very much during camp and in practices. From one standpoint, I understand why. They have a lack of depth and need to try to preserve the good players they have. But, when you don't focus on the fundamentals, you look like a sloppy team, which is what this team looks like. Also, the penalties have got to stop. This can be so easily corrected and speaks to an undisciplined football team.

My expectations have been tempered after this game. I have long-term hopes because I know we're in good hands. If these guys win 4 games this season, it'll be a miracle. Time to focus on basketball season and hope that JCL comes back and is ready for the start of the season.

There are probably a lot of other reasons for bad tackling. It makes sense to me to focus most of your practice on systems (which are brand new) and hope kids who were recruited to play D1 football can tackle.
 
#73      
There are probably a lot of other reasons for bad tackling. It makes sense to me to focus most of your practice on systems (which are brand new) and hope kids who were recruited to play D1 football can tackle.

Particularly when your starters are almost exclusively upperclassmen.
 
#74      
There are probably a lot of other reasons for bad tackling. It makes sense to me to focus most of your practice on systems (which are brand new) and hope kids who were recruited to play D1 football can tackle.

You would think so, wouldn't you? But if players don't practice at their craft, things tend to slip through the cracks.
 
#75      
You would think so, wouldn't you? But if players don't practice at their craft, things tend to slip through the cracks.

This is true but it's about priorities. When installing something new you have make sure people get to the right place, so you're working hard on the system. If they can't do that, their tackling ability is worthless anyway. Also the way lovie teaches gang tackling you hope that if one guy misses there's people there to clean up his mess, which they will be, if they were in the right place then begin with.