"Egregiously bad?" I guarantee you that if the jerseys were switched 95% of Illini fans would be screaming if the targeting was not called. Yeah, I think the call could have gone either way, but let's be honest...if a Wisconsin player hit Luke exactly like that, you know most would want targeting called. To say otherwise is just laughable. So, no, the call was not egregiously bad.This time it is legitimate however. The targeting call was just egregiously bad and it cost us the game. No team can withstand the loss of 2 interior linemen the quality of Randolph and Newton.
We were already operating at a talent deficit vs Wisky - it's hard to recover when you also take out your 2 best defensive players. Teams with great talent may be able to overcome that, but it is a major blow to a good team. And yeah, we made plenty of mistakes, but that call absolutely cost us the gameGood teams find a way to overcome losses like those two players. As far as the list of things that cost the Illini the game, the officiating is pretty low on the list.
That's the still you send to the league offices
Yeah, that sounds like a great processIt's a nice dream. The NCAA has a process for 2nd-half targeting ejections to be appealed. The CONFERENCE makes that appeal to the NCAA. So, if you could kindly point me to the universe where the BigTen would ever go out of its way (and against its own officials?) to help Illinois, I'll hop over there and consider holding my breath.
Head up, didn't lead with the crown. Hands into the chest.That's the still you send to the league offices
So confusing, I remember being absolutely at a loss to understand how that gets called the way it wasHead up, didn't lead with the crown. Hands into the chest.
Plus the roughing the passer call before he threw the pass? That's called tackling a ball carrier.
We were already operating at a talent deficit vs Wisky - it's hard to recover when you also take out your 2 best defensive players. Teams with great talent may be able to overcome that, but it is a major blow to a good team. And yeah, we made plenty of mistakes, but that call absolutely cost us the game
ColoradoGuess playing 10 on 11 defensively with a safety 25 yards off the ball, and lettin them gut us with the run, wasn't the right call afterall.
Notre dame or Florida, debating my new college football team
Glad you could confirm what everyone was texting me … Those guys must’ve been terrible … And very pro Wisconsin … I heard they said “it’s winning time for Wisconsin” about 18 times in the last 2 minutes …
If recruiting rankings are what wins ball games, Illinois will never move up from the bottom rung of the Big Ten.
Well said rant. I’m at the point in my life (almost 50 year fan) where I’ve run out of excuses in my head as to why I should continue to hold out hope for this program. It’s unhealthy for me, so disassociating myself from this consistently frustrating team is the only option. I hope they prove me wrong and someday I end up wondering why I doubted them. Pretty sure that won’t happen.I know many of you follow Robert, and in general I consider myself a fan as well. It can be nice to get a relentless positive fan perspective in a sea of bitterness that this football team provides us with year after year.
But his "from the stands" podcast last night really irked me. He loves playing the "it's me against the world, no one is as good of a fan as I am" card. I got the impression that he was saying if you ever, at any time, say 1 negative word about the players or coaches you can't be a "real" fan, or that you're a troll.
Players, okay, I get the logic there. They're young adults trying their best and putting their safety on the line for our enjoyment and who were, until very recently did so for free. But I think he thinks we take pleasure when certain players screw up, like we're just waiting for Xavier Scott to commit a 15 yard penalty, then drop a sure pick, then later miss a key tackle. He did all these things today and I did curse his name a few times, but doing so doesn't mean I want it to happen. I want all of our players to be All Americans. I want them to make the big plays and root for that to happen every single down. But when you see the same mistakes over and over you aren't a bad fan for pointing it out.
As for the coaches... What? How does someone who has followed Illinois football since the early 90s (meaning Robert not myself) think that if you criticize a coach you aren't a true blue fan? We all want what's best for the team and that includes calling a spade a spade. Tepper, Turner, Zook, Beckman, Cubit, Lovie. These are all the coaches of my Illini fan lifetime. That's WHOLE lot of ineptitude. But when they were all hired they had my full support (I was very, very dubious of the Beckman hire, but I still wanted him to succeed). But to take the stance that you are rooting for coaches and Illinois to fail because you are critical of playcalls and recruiting of grown men being paid hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars is ludicrous. I personally think Aaron Henry is in over his head, I said so since day 1. Does that mean I've been secretly hoping he'd fail just so I could crow about it? No, I always want Illinois to prove my skepticism wrong. Maybe Henry will get better (or maybe it's not even him and he's just doing what Bret tells him to do), but that prevent, weak !!! defense at then of the first half and basically the entire 4th Q was awful. We've gotten no pressure on the QB all year, and most of the time it's because we're always only rushing 3 guys. And even when we drop 8 into coverage we still give up big first downs because every opposing offense seems to always know where the weak spots in our zone are because we never play man to man because we apparently don't have the athletes to be able to do that.
This may not have been the place for this rant but Alioneye just got to me this morning with his holier than thou schtick. We all care, that's why we waste our time on these forums. Don't tell other fans (especially with a team like this who needs every butt in the seat and poster on a message board it can get) that they aren't real fans. I take Illinois football losses harder than most and yeah, I get mad at coaches and players when they screw up, it's human nature when you care this deeply about something.
This is the real killer. And lots were longer yardage.Using the officials as the reason you lost a game is the weakest excuse a sports fan can use. In that game yesterday, there were multiple moments before and after that that swung how that game went. Allowing Wisky to go 10-17 on 3rd down (and the general bad 3rd down conversion rate we have allowed this season) was going to do us no favors in winning this game.
Holding at the very least !The bad refereeing is endemic and something needs to be done. Arizona State was on their way to upsetting Washington last night, when this happened:
Looks like pass interference!
But the referee picked up the flag. On the next play, Washington scored on a pick-six and won the game.
Again, I generally like Robert and have even defended him when other Illini quasi media people like Mike Carpenter and some at the Champaign room have gone after him (Love you Thump), but this last podcast got to me. I feel like he thinks he's the gatekeeper for Illini fandom. I'm still a fan and will still listen and read Illiniboard, but don't call people bad fans for expecting the worst or being critical.Well said rant. I’m at the point in my life (almost 50 year fan) where I’ve run out of excuses in my head as to why I should continue to hold out hope for this program. It’s unhealthy for me, so disassociating myself from this consistently frustrating team is the only option. I hope they prove me wrong and someday I end up wondering why I doubted them. Pretty sure that won’t happen.
Or find a few difference makers at positions of need and pay them enough to come here. Because that’s allowed now. Give to the Icon Collective.Of course, recruiting is the lifeblood and lifeline of every program.
In the case of the Illini... they are caught in a vicious circle. The best players want to play for winning programs – so those programs have to keep winning. But for the Illini to raise their profile and become a powerful football program – they have to win (but don’t yet have the players to do that).
Chicken and Egg.
I'd love to hear an example of a time a coach chose direction over possession. I don't recall ever seeing it happen. And we scored 1 of our 3 TDs going into the wind, so it's not like it was impossible to score going that direction.That’s small picture thinking, though. Just like going for two down eight in the first quarter to tie the game. Against a strong wind, you’re giving away three-to-four possessions during a quarter where possessions are shortened and urgency is intensified. We lost today in part because of this disadvantage combined with staff’s natural tendency to play ultra-conservative with a lead.
We’re Loyal to You Illinois?I was at the game. Have been to many but will no longer be going until our coaches decide to stop laying not to lose and are ,ore agressive to try to win the game. Even when we win we are holding on for dear life. We are so conservative it is physically painful to watch and the ending is inevitable. We are hoping at the end of the game for dear life for the other team to screw up instead of taking the game. When we were winning 21-7 I knew this would come down to then end because our staff will alway turtle it and play scared. I would rather go down trying to be aggressive than Alway being back on our heels. This is it for me…I’m done wasting time and money on this until something on the offensive side of the ball changes.
While I agree that they absolutely should have still found a way to win, losing your best defensive player is a significant blow. And we can all debate it forever, but that was as weak a targeting call as you will ever see. And I use the word "weak" on purpose. Because, yes, his helmet touched the QB's helmet. But that is targeting by the letter-of-the-law only.Have to play a full 60 minutes not just 45. Can't blame the refs or anybody but themselves. Didn't make the stops when Wisconsin have 3rd and long 3 times and let them get the 1st down. On the other hand, Illinois has demonstrated the inability to PICK UP 1 YARD several times in the last 2 games. That is the difference in being 6-2 or 3-5.