Wisconsin 63, Illinois 55 POSTGAME

#76      
I agreed with Groce. The shot was terrible and a total wasted opportunity. Obviously the violation of team rules played a part, but I wish Groce had enforced more of this discipline earlier in his coaching tenure. I like coaches who are player's coaches. I'm not an old school guy when it comes to coaching. However I do think Groce gives far too much freedom to his guys. The bottom line is that we haven't had the talent or the players to play with that sort of freedom.

I can't type this post without getting painful flashbacks to Ahmed Starks chucking up 3's last year with 25 seconds on the shot clock.

Almost as terrible as the junk Hill threw up the possession before
 
#77      
The problem is, he's already failed three midterms in a row. Can he get a high enough grade on the final to pass?

Short of a huge 2017 class (Tilmon, Williams, and others of that level) and a really good season (not just a bubble team, but a solid seed), I don't see it, and I don't think that either of those are particularly likely to happen at this point. Do we risk it at the expense of sinking the program further for the rebuild?

This is the question really at this point is really: Could we get a new coach that lands a better 17 class than Groce? Would likely take a big name and/or some assistants with previous connections.
 
#78      
Did anyone see the montage on ESPN of Groce's "dancing" up and down the sidelines...and even on the court? It's all starting to make sense now. The team may not be dancing in March but, by golly, our coach will. There's plenty of footage to create an audition tape and having the first NCAA Division I CBB coach on "Dancing with the Stars" is the recruiting silver bullet we need. This is sheer genius on his part.

LOL

Of course as I recall during Coach Weber's last season there was significant criticism of his sideline behavior.

An omen?
 
#79      
PG.

Are there any rules to having a PG in an offense?

Can we not insert anyone else who can contribute more to an offense? Have no idea what the two PGs we have are doing. What is their contribution for a coach to keep them in a dead game. Not a problem with the kids, hopefully they get a good free education and move on in life.
 
#80      
Bloomington
Wanted to stop by and drop this before I dive into the postgame thread:

I've been a Khalid supporter recently. I take it back. Yikes.

Also, everybody should read this, a response to the totally undeserved fan crucifixion of Malcolm Hill
http://illiniboard.com/2016/02/01/prambs/

We stinks. That ain't all on Malcolm's shoulders.

Go Illini!
 
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#81      
Houston, TX
Wanted to stop by and drop this before I dive into the postgame thread:

I've been a Khalid supporter recently. I take it back. Yikes.

Also, everybody should read this RE: the totally undeserved crucifixion of Malcolm Hill
http://illiniboard.com/2016/02/01/prambs/

We stinks. That ain't all on Malcolm's shoulders.

Go Illini!

I don't read that as a crucifixion . . . he's pointing out that MH leads the team in everything that matters in a game, and that he is the heart and soul of this team. I happen to agree. . . .
 
#82      
Bloomington
LOL

Of course as I recall during Coach Weber's last season there was significant criticism of his sideline behavior.

An omen?

Izzo is constantly on the floor. Bench antics are just one more place for fans to turn their ire when the season goes south.
 
#83      
Bloomington
I don't read that as a crucifixion . . . he's pointing out that MH leads the team in everything that matters in a game, and that he is the heart and soul of this team. I happen to agree. . . .

That's my point. Tyler's post is a response to his undeserved crucifixion by so many fans. I agree. Malcolm leads this team in EVERY category. I can think of maybe two bad games he's had this year. He's been solid to great in every single other one, on a team where he is one of two options.

People love to rip Malcolm because he's the best player on a bad team. Those people should read that Illiniboard post.
 
#84      
Izzo is constantly on the floor. Bench antics are just one more place for fans to turn their ire when the season goes south.

"goes south" is the problem, not so much the "Bench antics".

IF Groce could recover as well as Izzo - in recruiting and wins ............. Not that I like Izzo jumping around either, despite his record over the years.
 
#86      
Ordained Dudeist Priest
Johns Creek, GA
"goes south" is the problem, not so much the "Bench antics".

IF Groce could recover as well as Izzo - in recruiting and wins ............. Not that I like Izzo jumping around either, despite his record over the years.

IMO, more coaches have "sideline antics" than not. Dean Smith, while stoic at some times, would be absolutely maniacal at others. Izzo, Roy, Knight, Self, Heathcote, Keady, Gary Williams, etc. Name a hall of fame coach and they've probably got some "sideline antics" in their repertoire.

Groce's animation is the thing I'm least concerned about with him (until he gets T'd up for being out at the free throw line).
 
#88      
st petersburg, fl
I've always been a fan, but as a student I'm done going to games. My crush seat (like 1/4 the others) will remain empty this semester. I've got better things to do with what free time I have than to waste it on this team.

Take it from an alum who's biggest regret from college is not being more active in things like the Krush, you'll regret doing that...for many reasons.
 
#89      
Not really sure what to say about last night's game. Really found it odd Khalid felt the need to put the team on his shoulders with some of his (pretty makeable but somehow missed) shots at the end of the game.

Was more or less bored while watching. Would like to see some actual set plays or schemes. This ongoing street ball offensive philosophy hasn't been working for a couple of seasons now.

At least our D seems to be picking up a notch. AJ seems to be picking it up on the defensive end (a couple freshman mistakes aside). Glad to see Mav contributing more, although it'd be nice to see him grip the ball like it was a suitcase filled with millions of dollars. It's astonishing how often the ball gets stripped from him still.

At this point, I'm all for DJW and AJ getting whatever tick Austin and Khalid would get.
 
#90      
Logan Square, Chicago
I've always been a fan, but as a student I'm done going to games. My crush seat (like 1/4 the others) will remain empty this semester. I've got better things to do with what free time I have than to waste it on this team.

A friend of mine said something similar a few years ago. He then missed the Tyler Griffey Indiana game.
 
#91      
Earlier in the season, I did not think that our biggest weakness was our point guard play, but our interior defense. Now that we're in conference play, I definitely believe that it's our biggest weakness. Finke and Mav have improved their defense enough that I don't think it's our biggest issue. Sure, our rebounding has been terrible, but despite those weaknesses, we've been close to so many wins. It hurts that we're not able to get much offense from Tate or Lewis. I know Tracy had his weaknesses, but if we could even have 6-7 ppg from our point guards, many of these L's could be W's.

I'm really looking forward to next year with Black, Kipper, and Lucas. I just feel bad for the current guys, it's not their fault that we've had bad luck and weaknesses at key positions. The bad luck, and lack of scoring punch at the 1 has caused us to be so one-dimensional and easier to guard. The team has to overachieve on offense in almost every game for us to even have a chance. With that being said, I hope people still support the players out their giving it their all.
 
#92      
Logan Square, Chicago
I'm really looking forward to next year with Black, Kipper, and Lucas. I just feel bad for the current guys, it's not their fault that we've had bad luck and weaknesses at key positions. The bad luck, and lack of scoring punch at the 1 has caused us to be so one-dimensional and easier to guard. The team has to overachieve on offense in almost every game for us to even have a chance.

Me too. They are doing their part. They've worked hard, improved their games, and I hate to see them stymied by an inordinate amount of bad luck.

At least they all get another shot (senior transfers aside) next year. We're due for a healthy year, and if Hill and Nunn can go out on a high note, it will color their whole college career.
 
#94      
Not really sure what to say about last night's game. Really found it odd Khalid felt the need to put the team on his shoulders with some of his (pretty makeable but somehow missed) shots at the end of the game.

Was more or less bored while watching. Would like to see some actual set plays or schemes. This ongoing street ball offensive philosophy hasn't been working for a couple of seasons now.

At least our D seems to be picking up a notch. AJ seems to be picking it up on the defensive end (a couple freshman mistakes aside). Glad to see Mav contributing more, although it'd be nice to see him grip the ball like it was a suitcase filled with millions of dollars. It's astonishing how often the ball gets stripped from him still.

At this point, I'm all for DJW and AJ getting whatever tick Austin and Khalid would get.


All in favor say, "Aye".
 
#96      
still support the players out their giving it their all.

Agree, agree, this needs to be on the top of MY list. Its one thing to grouse about coaching and recruitment but in the mean time, thee kids are giving their bodies, minds and college ball careers to Illinois and its fans, and doing their best. They deserve our support though thick and thin. This includes Tate, Austin, and Lewis.

We dont get to choose who decides to come here or who gets to play, but we should support the guys who do.
 
#97      
Iowa City
I've always been a fan, but as a student I'm done going to games. My crush seat (like 1/4 the others) will remain empty this semester. I've got better things to do with what free time I have than to waste it on this team.
Best student section in college basketball.
 
#98      
Against better defensive teams, Hill has been ineffective getting the ball up the court let alone running the offense. Nunn may be better , but if Groce considered that an option , I'm sure it would have been done by now.

KN would have no problem bringing the ball upcourt 1 on 1 against an opposing PG. If that's the lone criteria for JT and KL starting, then that's a really, really low bar of expectations for a Power 5 conference program.
 
#99      
Me too. They are doing their part. They've worked hard, improved their games, and I hate to see them stymied by an inordinate amount of bad luck.

At least they all get another shot (senior transfers aside) next year. We're due for a healthy year, and if Hill and Nunn can go out on a high note, it will color their whole college career.

Agree 100%.

I REALLY hope Nunn and Hill get to play in the tourney.

In the meantime, I will keep watching and cheering even though it can be painful (as a life long illini fan).
 
#100      
The Transfer Portal
I REALLY hope Nunn and Hill get to play in the tourney.

Can you believe this is a thing that we have to think about?

I mean, I like to think I'm real about where our program is right now, but at the same time, if Malcolm Hill doesn't get to play in a tournament game in his Illinois career, my head is going to explode.