As for tOSU they have 2 things we don't. KBD and Tate. 2 players that can score when a score is needed, making them a lot tougher to defend than us.
It's just that simple.
Wisconsin 75, Illinois 50 POSTGAME
As for tOSU they have 2 things we don't. KBD and Tate. 2 players that can score when a score is needed, making them a lot tougher to defend than us.
It's just that simple.
While I agree that talent is most important to win consistently it seems like others are doing more with less or equal talent to what we have. At 0-7 doing more is not a very high bar but, does every team in the B1G have more talent than we do?
illini80
- Forgottonia
Not being injured will improve your game considerably as well.
The only thing losing your man consistently requires a coach to do is bench the player, not adjust the system.
IlliniDent
- Chicago, IL
We just straight up aren't running Underwood's offense. You can tell the few times we do or we keep the ball moving that we tend to get good shots. Far far too often the ball sticks or someone misses a read and then we start over. We need to keep the ball moving around constantly in order to create open looks.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Who do you think is doing more with less or equal talent right now? Especially when factoring in our "big men?"
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IlliniDent
- Chicago, IL
Also while being 0-7 is a terrible stat at the moment, lets realize how different this season would be looking if we even won a few of the 5 games that we either should have or very much could have won. Sure you make your own luck but let's be honest- we are about as unlucky as it gets this year and it has compounded all of our issues.
icengineer
- Southern Illinois
With the exception of the Wisconsin game I've been very pleased with the teams performance. Lot's of posters seem to have turned based on this one game. Many were thinking we were going to eventually blow somebody out, well, the opposite happened, which was just as likely. I put our chances at winning this next game at about 5%, but I'll be pleased if we show well. Another blow-out and I'll be very disappointed.
I think the answer is already in my post, specifically:
Talent is a necessary condition, yet not sufficient. But the key part is also the ability to build a consistent winner, not to make inferences based on a single year, per quoted above. There will be upward or downward deviations as indicated in previous coaching regimes.
IlliniDent
- Chicago, IL
Most of our team was sick with the flu for a 3 game stretch... may not be injuries but still significant
I haven’t compared the recruiting rankings of each roster but, looking at just the B1G I don’t perceive Iowa, Rutgers, Penn St, Northwestern and Nebraska as having higher level recruits than we do. I would also be surprised if Wisconsin, Indiana, and Minnesota had significantly higher ranked rosters. I am sure someone has compared rosters and will tell me that perception is wrong.
If we win those close games vs Iowa,NW and Nebraska things would look a lot different obviously.
Don't forget Maryland. That game was pretty much won. All we had to do was inbound the ball.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
So we're back to recruiting rankings being the singular gauge of "talent." :frustrated:
Wasn't this debate carried out a week or two ago?
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Don't get the Kipper comments. He has had several games where he was one of our top players. He is only a sophomore and has improved from last year.
I can see him being a solid SF in the future. Like somebody mentioned we are not bring in top 15 talent to displace our veteran players.
On another note Trice played at Morgan Park before his transfer to Hales. J Cunningham graduated from Morgan Park. Not sure there are connections to our asst coach.
I can see him being a solid SF in the future. Like somebody mentioned we are not bring in top 15 talent to displace our veteran players.
On another note Trice played at Morgan Park before his transfer to Hales. J Cunningham graduated from Morgan Park. Not sure there are connections to our asst coach.
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I agree about Kipper. He has B1G athleticism and a solid shot. He's a little inconsistent on the glass, but when he's tuned in he's a good rebounder as well. He has plenty to work on, just like the rest of our team, but he's still young.
illini80
- Forgottonia
I'm amazed how many are ready to write TJL off. If he does what he's supposed to do, he's right back in the rotation. Just because he was benched for whatever he did doesn't mean his career at Illinois is over.:doh::doh:
And Kipper? He has the opportunity to be very good if he learns from his mistakes. Why would you expect to see him gone?
And Kipper? He has the opportunity to be very good if he learns from his mistakes. Why would you expect to see him gone?
People are quick to predict a player will transfer. Usually they are wrong. During the season last year there was some speculation over a couple of our players, but the one who transferred (JCL) was not mentioned.
Best advice take peoples opinions here (including mine) with a grain of salt.
You mean there is a difference between coaching on a forum vs an actual team? Nah...
I think everyone has the right intention of wanting to see the program turned around asap. However the frustrating writing on the wall is that it will likely take 3-4-5 years instead of the hoped for immediate 180° turn.
What gauge would you use?
IlliniDent
- Chicago, IL
Exactly
It's amazing how people forget how JCL was, you know, scouted. The second the ball came near his direction there was a defender en route to deny. Same thing happened to AJ this season.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
Yup, AJ has been the poster child for the difference between non-con scouting and conference scouting. He doesn't get 1.0 seconds to get a shot off. And its showing.