Wisconsin 91, Illinois 88 OT Postgame

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FloridaMan
NarrowJ said:
You said:



Has the (you admit) improved defense translated to more wins? Yes it already has. And we still have more games to play yet. The defense has improved from the 40 range to the 20 range so it’s just odd to me to include Crocker in the list of complaints.
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40 to 28. Eh. It's been a struggle all year. Can't get stops, always have to outscore teams. Always have one player (sometimes more) go absolutely nuclear on us.

The point was, there were some changes to the staff last year. I made my comment in the context of enhancing the staff to get us to the next level. Simple as that. Changes were made, but improvements can still be made, especially defensively and in game X and O's.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
Fly Illini Fly! said:
So, the language he used was “top 10 coach in the country over the last 6-7 years.”

Highest winning % over the last 7 seasons among P4 programs:

1. Houston: 86.6%
2. Duke: 79.7%
3. Arizona: 78.4%
4. UCONN: 78.3%
5. Purdue: 76.4%
6. Alabama: 72.7%
7. Tennessee: 72.7%
8. Kansas: 72.5%
9. Illinois: 70.3%
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Fly Illini Fly! said:
We only need to be top 10, since this was the comment everyone was crucifying:

Here’s the rest of the list after Illinois:

1. Houston: 86.6%
2. Duke: 79.7%
3. Arizona: 78.4%
4. UCONN: 78.3%
5. Purdue: 76.4%
6. Alabama: 72.7%
7. Tennessee: 72.7%
8. Kansas: 72.5%
9. Illinois: 70.3%
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10. UCLA: 69.3%
11. North Carolina: 69.1%
12. Baylor: 69.0%
13. Auburn: 68.7%
14. Virginia: 68.2%
15. Florida: 68.2%
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WhereDoWeStandWithStorr? said:
He said top 10 coach.

In that case, you need to include Mark Few and Gonzaga over Brad. That’s a very respectable program that’s almost always in the sweet sixteen.

Golden and Drew also need to be above Brad as they’ve won national titles.
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Few — I’ll concede. Not a P4 conference, but clearly very successful. That would still have BU #10.

The conversation being had was top 10 coach OVER THE LAST 7 SEASONS. Golden’s omitted as this is only his 3rd year at FLA.

Scott Drew has the same number of second weekends as Brad in that exact timeframe. Yes he won the natty — which would probably be his greatest argument here — but his team was absolutely atrocious this season. I personally tend to believe consistency is significantly more valuable than a national title followed by a complete plummeting of the program. They weren’t bad right after their title — it’s been a slow but sure regression though. With how bad this year was, I don’t see a very promising turnaround.
 
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zentrails
Probably because those articles are leaked by agents looking to get their clients an extension.
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Careful now there will be several pages suggesting Brad's agent is unprepared, low energy, and a poor fit. LOL
 
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Altuve27
One issue defensively, and I am not sure why it’s happening, is Z’s impact defensively has not been there like it was for the first 3 months.

Just a question: Has the broken nose he suffered made him less aggressive, perhaps? Credit to mom. She submitted that question. :)
 
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NarrowJ
FloridaMan said:
40 to 28. Eh. It's been a struggle all year. Can't get stops, always have to outscore teams. Always have one player (sometimes more) go absolutely nuclear on us.

The point was, there were some changes to the staff last year. I made my comment in the context of enhancing the staff to get us to the next level. Simple as that. Changes were made, but improvements can still be made, especially defensively and in game X and O's.
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Currently 24th on Torvik and was 18th before our best defensive player missed 7 games

I do fully realize that you did make the comment in the context of enhancing the staff. You want to replace guys after they shown marked improvement? I really don’t.

Despite opinions people may have about the final possession of a basketball game basically deciding which team is better, I don’t agree with it. And I can see Illinois is just a few lucky bounces in these coin flip games from basically being a 1 seed.
 
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March2TheArch
This and a problem is when our “best shooters” in an offense made to shoot 3s don’t shoot many, don’t make any, or don’t shoot any.
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Yeah, playing scared. Zero confidence to take an even remotely contested 3. I’m looking at you Tomi and Hummer. Jake gets his shot off quick. Z has the athleticism to get to an open spot.
 
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Indy Illini Fan
BatteredWifeSchwartz said:
Indy, I’m sure you’re a good dude but you can’t be seriously advocating for the coach who shoots the highest percent of 3s when the thing I see you complain about the most is stop chucking 3s. Seems….almost hypocritical?

That and the other guy is a s£x pest….and people seemed to have just forgotten about it bc he won a title.
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Oats has the guys to make the system work … That’s proven …

We’ve got a bunch of dudes who can’t shoot consistently outside of Jake and Mirk …
 
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Indy Illini Fan
WhereDoWeStandWithStorr? said:
He said top 10 coach.

In that case, you need to include Mark Few and Gonzaga over Brad. That’s a very respectable program that’s almost always in the sweet sixteen.

Golden and Drew also need to be above Brad as they’ve won national titles.
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Who’s saying Top 10 ???

Not even close to that …

Hurley, Scheyer, Sampson, Pitino, Izzo, Drew, Painter, Self, Golden, Few, May, Barnes, Cal, Lloyd, Cronin …

I’d argue McCasland, and Otz have a case as well …
 
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FloridaMan
NarrowJ said:
Currently 24th on Torvik and was 18th before our best defensive player missed 7 games

I do fully realize that you did make the comment in the context of enhancing the staff. You want to replace guys after they shown marked improvement? I really don’t.

Despite opinions people may have about the final possession of a basketball game basically deciding which team is better, I don’t agree with it. And I can see Illinois is just a few lucky bounces in these coin flip games from basically being a 1 seed.
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28th on Kenpom. We are back to debating this model vs that model. Don't need models to tell us what we could all see watching the games all year. We are a tremendous offensive team that struggles defensively especially against top tier opponents with quick guards. Hopefully we can put it all together next week. I will be the first to eat crow, and I fully hope to.
 
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WhereDoWeStandWithStorr?
Few — I’ll concede. Not a P4 conference, but clearly very successful. That would still have BU #10.

The conversation being had was top 10 coach OVER THE LAST 7 SEASONS. Golden’s omitted as this is only his 3rd year at FLA.

Scott Drew has the same number of second weekends as Brad in that exact timeframe. Yes he won the natty — which would probably be his greatest argument here — but his team was absolutely atrocious this season. I personally tend to believe consistency is significantly more valuable than a national title followed by a complete plummeting of the program. They weren’t bad right after their title — it’s been a slow but sure regression though. With how bad this year was, I don’t see a very promising turnaround.
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You think Brad is a better coach than Scott Drew?
 
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tell it like it is
Altuve27 said:
One issue defensively, and I am not sure why it’s happening, is Z’s impact defensively has not been there like it was for the first 3 months.

Just a question: Has the broken nose he suffered made him less aggressive, perhaps? Credit to mom. She submitted that question. :)
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Maybe he should put the mask back on. Super powers!
 
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The Sprouting Divot
NarrowJ said:
Despite opinions people may have about the final possession of a basketball game basically deciding which team is better, I don’t agree with it. And I can see Illinois is just a few lucky bounces in these coin flip games from basically being a 1 seed.
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Games are decided by far more than just the final possession.
 
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NarrowJ
FloridaMan said:
28th on Kenpom. We are back to debating this model vs that model. Don't need models to tell us what we could all see watching the games all year. We are a tremendous offensive team that struggles defensively especially against top tier opponents with quick guards. Hopefully we can put it all together next week. I will be the first to eat crow, and I fully hope to.
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Just call it what it is: improvement

Nobody is asking you to eat any crow, just to recognize there’s been (literal, proven) imrpovement… doing so does not simultaneously remove the wish/need to improve it further
 
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NarrowJ
The Sprouting Divot said:
Games are decided by far more than just the final possession.
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Single possession games are ultimately decided by, you guessed it, the final possession of the game

I get the point you’re making though, but once the score is tied and there’s a final possession, that possession does in fact decide the outcome
 
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OB positive
aaeismacgychel said:
So I've definitely been pretty unhappy with how Brad handled the late game today and his overall in game coaching, but I think there's nuance here. I'm not advocating for a coaching change or to fire Brad. In fact I don't think we should do that unless we have someone lined up you just can't say no to. And Brad has proven he can build a program and recruit at a high level. Those are no small feats and he's been good at that.

Instead I would advocate for hiring strong X and O assistant or game coaches this offseason. If that coach is solely in charge of timeout management, OOB plays, and a couple set plays for late game situations, so be it.
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All the bad moves and non adjustments by coaching staff aside. Once again if we just make our damn free throws down the stretch we win. Keaton and Jake both missed the front end of one and ones in the last few minutes. I think this has been the case in everyone of our close losses.
 
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IlliniAlumnus
Brad is essentially the CEO of Illinois basketball and has done an excellent job setting the direction at a high level. With him firmly in the reigns for the next several years, the best way to make the jump to being a perennial Final Four team is by solidifying the assistant coach ranks with great tactical minds to build and train the offense and defense.

The ones we currently have are probably average across the board, with the exception of Antigua...but I would consider him the premier recruiter of the bunch. Replace some of the other guys (especially Tyler) with up and coming bright minds in coaching and developing offense and defense and you'd see a potential juggernaut coming out of Champaign-Urbana.

^ this is what Bielema is doing on the football side...regularly improving the level of assistants (with the exception of our previous defensive coordinator, who was a significant step down...but he's corrected that with his replacement).
 
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the juiceman cometh
Who’s saying Top 10 ???

Not even close to that …

Hurley, Scheyer, Sampson, Pitino, Izzo, Drew, Painter, Self, Golden, Few, May, Barnes, Cal, Lloyd, Cronin …

I’d argue McCasland, and Otz have a case as well …
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#1,222      
ILL21
Listen hate to be the bearer of bad news but this team needs to lay off the Mary Jane and focus on their craft/game plans… that’s the issue catching up to this team…

Whoever has access to the coaching staff needs to let them know if they don’t know already
 
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Altuve27
All the bad moves and non adjustments by coaching staff aside. Once again if we just make our damn free throws down the stretch we win. Keaton and Jake both missed the front end of one and ones in the last few minutes. I think this has been the case in everyone of our close losses.
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The weird thing is we have been a very good rebounding team and a GREAT free throw shooting team. Yet, both those areas have absolutely KILLED us in several of our losses. That’s where the lack of focus/mental toughness comes into play.
 
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From the cheap seats
Especially in the UCLA game and the Wisconsin game yesterday, the games never should have come down to one play, probably not even two or three plays. In those games, we got up big, quit doing what got us up big and then could not get a rebound or make a shot/FT when the game boiled down to the one play.
It’s probably the definition of insanity, but I expect the Illini to come through the next time a game comes down to one play.
 
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EmeraldCityIllini
Especially in the UCLA game and the Wisconsin game yesterday, the games never should have come down to one play, probably not even two or three plays. In those games, we got up big, quit doing what got us up big and then could not get a rebound or make a shot/FT when the game boiled down to the one play.
It’s probably the definition of insanity, but I expect the Illini to come through the next time a game comes down to one play.
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It's not. There's a reason Vegas calculates single-possession outcome regression/progression into their yearly over/unders in basketball and football.

I AM NOT comparing single season college bball to nba and nfl over/unders - that's not the point. But it is fickle, and you expect it to even out. I wouldn't shame someone for being particularly nervous if illinois went to OT again. But at the same time, if Illinois was 4-0 in OT games, and went to OT in the tourney against an opponent 0-5 in OT games. Would i roll my eyes and and say, "ofcourse. herrrrrre we go." Ya, I would.
 
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