Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

ChiCityHoops34 · Oct 14, 2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by beaboutillini74

When everyone was going crazy over DJ and were sending him messages on twitter. I remember Lyle posted something on twitter wanting Illini fans to not forget about him. To me of all the things said on twitter that comment sticks with me the most and sounds very positive for Illinois. Im not sure who will be going but if KBD and Lyle want to come here I cant see Groce passing on Lyle.

A class with KBD and lyle would be unreal.

RyanK · Oct 14, 2012, 02:53 PM

For all those discussing Lyle wanting to come here, were not even in his top 3 as of now.

ChiCityHoops34 · Oct 14, 2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanK

For all those discussing Lyle wanting to come here, were not even in his top 3 as of now.

Indiana lousiville and waiting for a kentucky offer?

RyanK · Oct 14, 2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiCityHoops34

Indiana lousiville and waiting for a kentucky offer?

Spot on. I would guess BTF is referring to Zabo. However, I'm sure you will begin to see a lot of new 2014 names pop up in the coming months.

justsomedude · Oct 14, 2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

How many really think Austin is a PG?

I don't, but I've seen a few "stats based" posters on a couple other boards say Austin a:to stats and shooting % stats are better than zabo.

I've only seen highlights of both, but I know Austin would have an offer if the staff thought he could play PG.

Selfconfour · Oct 14, 2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanK

Spot on. I would guess BTF is referring to Zabo. However, I'm sure you will begin to see a lot of new 2014 names pop up in the coming months.

So what is the scoop an Zabo? Shooter? Defense? Athletic? Handles? Rankings? etc. One poster implied he could not shoot? Any truth to this??

IlliniFreak7 · Oct 14, 2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanK

For all those discussing Lyle wanting to come here, were not even in his top 3 as of now.

While we may not be in his top 3, do you insiders think we have a solid chance at moving up in his rankings or do you think he is a long shot. Personally I feel that he has incredible talent and I'd love to see Groce go all out for him, but thats just me.

ChiCityHoops34 · Oct 14, 2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by IlliniFreak7

While we may not be in his top 3, do you insiders think we have a solid chance at moving up in his rankings or do you think he is a long shot. Personally I feel that he has incredible talent and I'd love to see Groce go all out for him, but thats just me.

I have wanted lyle for a while and i would never say never when it comes to this staff, but its going to be tough to jump the other schools on his list. Especially if cal gets involved

jhayton · Oct 14, 2012, 03:32 PM

Not an insider, but I think that we are absolutely on the outside looking in right now on Lyle. It's clearly still a possibility, but the safe bet is IU for Lyle.

Groundhogday · Oct 14, 2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by justsomedude

I don't, but I've seen a few "stats based" posters on a couple other boards say Austin a:to stats and shooting % stats are better than zabo.

I've only seen highlights of both, but I know Austin would have an offer if the staff thought he could play PG.

No one in their right mind attempts to make detailed statistical analyses of high school stats. (1) data are highly unreliable; (b) competition can vary substantially; and (3) we don't really know what they are being asked to do for their high school teams.

When it comes to high school player evaluations, it is all about watching them play.

tenaciousD · Oct 14, 2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BrooksTaylorFan

I can't say who, but I know that Groundhog's are good at predicting.

I can't believe no one pointed this comment out. Ding ding ding, it's Zabo.

justsomedude · Oct 14, 2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

No one in their right mind attempts to make detailed statistical analyses of high school stats. (1) data are highly unreliable; (b) competition can vary substantially; and (3) we don't really know what they are being asked to do for their high school teams.

When it comes to high school player evaluations, it is all about watching them play.

The stats I've seen quoted have come from when Austin played for USA team and Zabo for Canada.

I agree with you and trust groce to know what PGs in particular will be best for him.

DaytonIllini · Oct 14, 2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by justsomedude

I have analyzed several years, and there is an article with all the data on rsci vs nba success. It is true you see a bigger drop after top 20 than any other quintile, but each quintile outperforms the next by a statistically significant margin.

For an easy reference, this includes a link to all the data, and if you look at every 20, you see a difference.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?page_id=9865

That link talks about NBA which I conceded is much more likely in the first quartile or so. But I am talking about contribution in college. If you look at the 2009 rsci top 100 you can see there is no correlation between position and contribution after about the first 25.

MPG 26-50 51-75 76-100
Year 1 16.6 14.9 12.0
Year 2 18.8 14.0 15.5
Year 3 19.8 16.2 20.3

PPG 26-50 51-75 76-100
Year 1 5.9 4.9 3.9
Year 2 7.2 4.5 6.1
Year 3 7.9 6.2 7.9

That doesn't prove my point but I see very little correlation, at least in this year, between ranking and college contribution. Whatever correlation there is seems to diminish rapidly as years pass.

ChiCityHoops34 · Oct 14, 2012, 04:12 PM

Izzo offers kbd

Dan · Oct 14, 2012, 04:14 PM

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Keita Bates-Diop @KBD_33 picks up Michigan St Offer

http://twitter.com/scott_chihoops

whatahack · Oct 14, 2012, 04:31 PM

Ugh....that is never good

Joel Goodson · Oct 14, 2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by whatahack

Ugh....that is never good

What do you expect?

Elite players get offered by elite programs. Always have, always will.

rmlsr · Oct 14, 2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by whatahack

Ugh....that is never good

Relax, how many players has Mich St got from our state over the years? Shannon Brown, maybe J.Parker? They haven't taken many.

IrishTerryConklin · Oct 14, 2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Joel Goodson

What do you expect?

Elite players get offered by elite programs. Always have, always will.

Exactly, if the kids we are pursuing aren't getting offers from elite programs that is a problem, not the fact that they are. We're not going to win every battle but with JG's track record I like our chances of going up against the big boys for Illinois' kids.

Indicchief · Oct 14, 2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiCityHoops34

Izzo offers kbd

Meh.

Waiting for Cal to wake up.

Groundhogday · Oct 14, 2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishTerryConklin

Exactly, if the kids we are pursuing aren't getting offers from elite programs that is a problem, not the fact that they are.

Bingo.

Foo G · Oct 14, 2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Indicchief

Meh.

Waiting for Cal to wake up.

KBD isn't a top 10 guy yet.

UncleBob · Oct 14, 2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Foo G

KBD isn't a top 10 guy yet.

Hopefully he will commit to IL this Fall before he gets there.

OrangeAndBlue217 · Oct 14, 2012, 05:16 PM

new summer shootout highlight mix for KBD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Uw-nuCFz0

ChiCityHoops34 · Oct 14, 2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Indicchief

Meh.

Waiting for Cal to wake up.

Im so confident in the kbd recruitment that i hope all the big boys come crawling in.

How about a 2nd year UI coach keeping elite in state talent fending off the likes of izzo n cal

Oct 14, 2012, 02:53 PM	#14927
RyanK Posts: 2,708	For all those discussing Lyle wanting to come here, were not even in his top 3 as of now.

Oct 14, 2012, 03:32 PM	#14934
jhayton Location: Osceola, WI Posts: 638	Not an insider, but I think that we are absolutely on the outside looking in right now on Lyle. It's clearly still a possibility, but the safe bet is IU for Lyle.

Oct 14, 2012, 04:12 PM	#14939
ChiCityHoops34 Location: DeKalb IL Posts: 821	Izzo offers kbd

Oct 14, 2012, 04:31 PM	#14941
whatahack Posts: 14	Ugh....that is never good

Oct 14, 2012, 05:16 PM	#14949
OrangeAndBlue217 Location: Decatur, IL Posts: 1,718	new summer shootout highlight mix for KBD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Uw-nuCFz0