9/19 News & Notes

Dan · Sep 19, 2012, 10:36 AM

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Tim Beckmam said Nathan Scheelhaase is "almost 100%". Stopped short of naming a starter vs. LA Tech, but I'd fully expect him to start.

http://twitter.com/MattLoveless

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#illini Beckman on QB Nathan Scheelhaase: "much better than last week;" "almost 100 percent."

http://twitter.com/WernerConnectFM

Dan · Sep 19, 2012, 10:37 AM

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#illini Beckman: Steve Hull "is still going to be a bit of a ways away." Talked about moving him to WR. Hawthorne still on D for now

http://twitter.com/WernerConnectFM

illynifan34 · Sep 19, 2012, 10:39 AM

All this talk of moving defensive players to offense...are there any defensive linemen that can play on the offensive line?

Dan · Sep 19, 2012, 10:41 AM

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#illini RB Josh Ferguson practiced fully. Ready to go vs La Tech

http://twitter.com/WernerConnectFM

Dan · Sep 19, 2012, 10:51 AM

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Expect #illini QB Scheelhaase to start. Beckman said he's almost 100 percent.

Beckman can go to Urbana-Champaign Centennial game Friday. (His son is a frosh QB). But NCAA says he can take #illini with him.

http://twitter.com/JohnSupinie

RyanK · Sep 19, 2012, 11:18 AM

I'm assuming he meant the Illini can't go?

Dan · Sep 19, 2012, 11:20 AM

Yeah, Beckman wanted to take the team to the Urbana game but was denied. (Beckman can attend the game to watch his son without the team though)

Groundhogday · Sep 19, 2012, 11:49 AM

So are they talking about moving Hull permanently to WR because his shoulder just can't take the impact of making tackles? I suppose this makes sense, though that leaves us with even less depth at S next year (not that he would have contributed much with a bum shoulder).

Groundhogday · Sep 19, 2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by illynifan34

All this talk of moving defensive players to offense...are there any defensive linemen that can play on the offensive line?

They already moved O'Connor to OL but (a) we don't have any DTs to spare; and (b) we don't have any DEs big enough to play OL.

BigStan97 · Sep 19, 2012, 12:42 PM

If Supo returns healthy i feel like Him and Thomas are going to be just fine at the Safety position....

Thomas has really stepped up his game this year and has been playing very well

but the issue is next year who will be our starting Safeties???

Thomas will more then likely take on one spot but if we move Hull to WR who is the guy at the other spot???

North?? Barton??

only ppl we have returning to safety are: Thomas, North, Barton (Hull to WR)

slim pickinins

illynifan34 · Sep 19, 2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

They already moved O'Connor to OL but (a) we don't have any DTs to spare; and (b) we don't have any DEs big enough to play OL.

That was mostly tongue in cheek showing my displeasure with our OL play so far this year.

Groundhogday · Sep 19, 2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by illynifan34

That was mostly tongue in cheek showing my displeasure with our OL play so far this year.

It isn't a bad idea. In fact, many teams recruit extra DTs and DE with the intent of turning them into athletic OL. Unfortunately, we haven't recruited very well on the DL for the past several years so there isn't any extra talent to convert.

illynifan34 · Sep 19, 2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

It isn't a bad idea. In fact, many teams recruit extra DTs and DE with the intent of turning them into athletic OL. Unfortunately, we haven't recruited very well on the DL for the past several years so there isn't any extra talent to convert.

Just another highlight of the Ron Zook express the last few years.

Groundhogday · Sep 19, 2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by illynifan34

Just another highlight of the Ron Zook express the last few years.

And another illustration of why Thomas had no choice but to replace Zook. Recruiting never really recovered from the 2008 failure and 2009 disaster. At least a new coach can sell a fresh start.

AHSIllini32 · Sep 19, 2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

So are they talking about moving Hull permanently to WR because his shoulder just can't take the impact of making tackles? I suppose this makes sense, though that leaves us with even less depth at S next year (not that he would have contributed much with a bum shoulder).

I actually think moving Hull to WR would be a great idea. He was really impressing there from what I remember before we had to move him to S. He, Davis, Lankford, Millines (if he can ever stay healthy, big if) could provide at least a DECENT core of WR's next year to start with.

Groundhogday · Sep 19, 2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AHSIllini32

I actually think moving Hull to WR would be a great idea. He was really impressing there from what I remember before we had to move him to S. He, Davis, Lankford, Millines (if he can ever stay healthy, big if) could provide at least a DECENT core of WR's next year to start with.

Hull would certainly provide some depth at WR and it is pretty clear by now that he can't hold up to the physical pounding inherent in the S position. If I remember correctly, Hull was in the top-6 at WR as a RS-freshman. That doesn't scream "impact WR", but like you I remember him looking promising.

The only problem is that if Hull can't play S, a very thin position becomes even thinner. The only real solution is for Beckman et al. to go out and recruit a bunch of athletes to restock the secondary and WR positions. Between DBs, fast ATH, and WR, we currently have 7 commitments for 2013. That will help.

quhawks12 · Sep 19, 2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhogday

The only problem is that if Hull can't play S, a very thin position becomes even thinner. The only real solution is for Beckman et al. to go out and recruit a bunch of athletes to restock the secondary and WR positions. Between DBs, fast ATH, and WR, we currently have 7 commitments for 2013. That will help.

I was going to say he has already kind of done that this year. I would say 5 of those 7 are capable of playing safety (Dawson, Day, Jones, Kelly and Mosely).

Illini125 · Sep 19, 2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by quhawks12

I was going to say he has already kind of done that this year. I would say 5 of those 7 are capable of playing safety (Dawson, Day, Jones, Kelly and Mosely).

Nice thing too is that of all our recruits, a few of those guys listed have pretty good offer lists, so they might be ready to play right away.

Dan · Sep 19, 2012, 02:19 PM

BigStan97 · Sep 19, 2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by quhawks12

I was going to say he has already kind of done that this year. I would say 5 of those 7 are capable of playing safety (Dawson, Day, Jones, Kelly and Mosely).

Dawson- CB or S
Day- CB/S/WR
Jones- S or Star LB
Kelly- S or Star LB
Mosley- CB or WR
Cazley- CB or S

all this is my opinion of where they could be best at but i feel like Jones and Kelly could both beef up the Safety position- both have similar styles of play ( both also remind me of Earnest Thomas actually) one could be placed at the Star LB spot since we will only have Fuller and BJ Bello at that position after this year

Dawson looks to be a FS or a CB at best hes 6'2 with long frame and has great speed.

Day is a guy who could play a handful of spots with all his athletic ability (WR/CB/S) so hes a guy who after we find spots for everyone else he could step into the spot where we are lacking the least and he could be playing early as well....

Mosley is a guy who I would like him to start at CB and end at CB due to his prototype size speed and ball skills he could be a great CB( pair him up with the Frosh Bentley who's shown he can compete and we got a good 1-2 cb of the future)

Cazley is a guy who i see on film and i could see him being kinda the same as PNY....same size and ability could see Cazley being a little more athletic ( due to the PNY injuries hes had set him back a lot)

PBLPanther · Sep 19, 2012, 07:44 PM

I could see moving Hull to WR, he isn't a good safety. If it's strictly because it's a better position for him then that is great. But...if it is because they are worried about his tackling then will he be able to block effectively?

quhawks12 · Sep 20, 2012, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PBLPanther

I could see moving Hull to WR, he isn't a good safety. If it's strictly because it's a better position for him then that is great. But...if it is because they are worried about his tackling then will he be able to block effectively?

He's actually a solid safety. Not great but very solid.

And tackling has absolutely NOTHING to do with blocking.

jeffs · Sep 20, 2012, 08:06 AM

Since illinihq hasn't posted it.

http://www.wdws.com/multimedia/podca...eve-kelly.html

http://www.wdws.com/sites/all/files/...lk_9-19-12.mp3

I haven't listened to it yet but Klee and "illini senior" Trent Meacham are on it. I thought Trent had his degree.

Sep 19, 2012, 10:39 AM	#3
illynifan34 That's a winner!! Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 7,635	All this talk of moving defensive players to offense...are there any defensive linemen that can play on the offensive line? __________________ www.afsp.org In Mike I Trust Aggressive

Sep 19, 2012, 11:49 AM	#8
Groundhogday Posts: 18,076	So are they talking about moving Hull permanently to WR because his shoulder just can't take the impact of making tackles? I suppose this makes sense, though that leaves us with even less depth at S next year (not that he would have contributed much with a bum shoulder). __________________ ONLY ORANGE!

Sep 19, 2012, 11:18 AM	#6
RyanK Posts: 2,707	I'm assuming he meant the Illini can't go?

Sep 19, 2012, 11:20 AM	#7
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 25,894	Yeah, Beckman wanted to take the team to the Urbana game but was denied. (Beckman can attend the game to watch his son without the team though)

Sep 19, 2012, 12:42 PM	#10
BigStan97 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 1,049	If Supo returns healthy i feel like Him and Thomas are going to be just fine at the Safety position.... Thomas has really stepped up his game this year and has been playing very well but the issue is next year who will be our starting Safeties??? Thomas will more then likely take on one spot but if we move Hull to WR who is the guy at the other spot??? North?? Barton?? only ppl we have returning to safety are: Thomas, North, Barton (Hull to WR) slim pickinins

Sep 19, 2012, 02:19 PM	#19
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 25,894

Sep 19, 2012, 07:44 PM	#21
PBLPanther Living in Bosco's Basement Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 85	I could see moving Hull to WR, he isn't a good safety. If it's strictly because it's a better position for him then that is great. But...if it is because they are worried about his tackling then will he be able to block effectively?

Sep 20, 2012, 08:06 AM	#23
jeffs Posts: 165	Since illinihq hasn't posted it. http://www.wdws.com/multimedia/podca...eve-kelly.html http://www.wdws.com/sites/all/files/...lk_9-19-12.mp3 I haven't listened to it yet but Klee and "illini senior" Trent Meacham are on it. I thought Trent had his degree.