Illinois DL coach Keith Gilmore headed to North Carolina

[quhawks12]

UNC's DL coach just jumped over to S. Carolina to replace their DL coach who went to Florida. UNC was already sniffing around with Gilmore so is expect him to be gone to UNC soon. Just the way I see it...no facts.

[SCillini]

Originally Posted by quhawks12

UNC's DL coach just jumped over to S. Carolina to replace their DL coach who went to Florida. UNC was already sniffing around with Gilmore so is expect him to be gone to UNC soon. Just the way I see it...no facts.

That would make sense, given the positive working relationship Gilmore had with VK, and the rumored differences with TB/Banks this past season. Despite this, I still think it would hurt, based on the job Gilmore has done with the DL since he's been here. He's developed a lot of good players during his time here.

[Dan]

Couple random tweets with Gilmore-to-UNC speculation-

@KennyD53 @ehill73 The main name I see is Gilmore at Illinois. Very good DL coach solid recruiting. Has rep for developing pass rushers
https://twitter.com/JFay51/status/293836319652720640

@KennyD53 @ehill73 also speculation that Vic wanted to bring Gilmore in before to work with DE, leaving Adams to just DT
https://twitter.com/JFay51/status/293836738789531651

..Ron West and Keith Gilmore from Illinois seem to be replacements.
https://twitter.com/gteeitup/status/293739859879804930

[Calilama]

Originally Posted by quhawks12

UNC's DL coach just jumped over to S. Carolina to replace their DL coach who went to Florida. UNC was already sniffing around with Gilmore so is expect him to be gone to UNC soon. Just the way I see it...no facts.

Awesome!...who needs facts!!....this would suck....how many of our recruits were counting on Gilmore to tutor them up to a NFL level of performance?...hate this stuff:rolleyes:

[Illinnoying Orange]

Coach Gilmore has done a very good job here, but I will not be surprised to see him jump at the chance to reunite w/ VK at UNC. The only thing I am surprised by is how long it has taken to actually happen.

[AlmostFamous79]

True.

The hits just keep on coming.
But hey, Gilmore and VK like a downhill attacking style of D. We know that is
not at all what TB and Banks.

TB is killing this program.

[TooHot4Tots]

Would definitely be a blow. Really liked Gilmore. Wish him best of luck if he does move on.

[illinitownie]

I would lose a lot of faith in this staff without Gilmore. Not because I don't trust them but because he brings so much experience. Also I feel he's the only thing attracting d linemen :rolleyes:

[Groundhogday]

Originally Posted by AlmostFamous79

True.

The hits just keep on coming.
But hey, Gilmore and VK like a downhill attacking style of D. We know that is
not at all what TB and Banks.

TB is killing this program.

Tim Banks' Cincy defense in 2011 was nationally No. 1 in TFL and No. 2 in sacks. But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Originally Posted by illinitownie

I would lose a lot of faith in this staff without Gilmore. Not because I don't trust them but because he brings so much experience. Also I feel he's the only thing attracting d linemen :rolleyes:

Did Gilmore recruit a single quality D lineman during his time at Illinois prior to the arrival of Beckman?

[Juice]

Originally Posted by AlmostFamous79

True.

The hits just keep on coming.
But hey, Gilmore and VK like a downhill attacking style of D. We know that is
not at all what TB and Banks.

TB is killing this program.

Really?

[BigStan97]

any real truth to this? Like actual facts?

[Groundhogday]

Originally Posted by BigStan97

any real truth to this? Like actual facts?

Just rumors based upon connections to Koenning. No idea if Fedora (who does the actual hiring) is interest in hiring Gilmore.

[TexasIllini]

Originally Posted by AlmostFamous79

TB is killing this program.

How exactly is the potential departure of Gilmore Beckman's "killing of the program"?

1. He publicly acknowledged Gilmore was a good coach and retained him.

2. If Gilmore does leave, I am sure it is because of the following reasons: an increase in salary, the ability to coach with someone he is more familiar with (VK), and going to a program that is more committed to putting a consistent football program out there. Beckman has no control over those factors.

[RyanK]

Originally Posted by TexasIllini

How exactly is the potential departure of Gilmore Beckman's "killing of the program"?

1. He publicly acknowledged Gilmore was a good coach and retained him.

2. If Gilmore does leave, I am sure it is because of the following reasons: an increase in salary, the ability to coach with someone he is more familiar with (VK), and going to a program that is more committed to putting a consistent football program out there. Beckman has no control over those factors.

Especially #2. You have to remember that Gilmore is sort of the odd man out on this staff. The rest of the staff had worked together at some point when it was originally put together.

[Calilama]

Originally Posted by Groundhogday

Tim Banks' Cincy defense in 2011 was nationally No. 1 in TFL and No. 2 in sacks. But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.


Did Gilmore recruit a single quality D lineman during his time at Illinois prior to the arrival of Beckman?

I think lots of fans got a good look at Banks defense with Illini athletes who appeared better under Gilmore/ Vics scheme. Should they believe their lying eyes or your statistics?

It may take awhile for Banks to get his players integrated into what, statistically speaking, appears to be a very fine defense....curious?...what DL draft picks came off that Cincy defense and where did they rank compared to Liuget and Mercilus?

No clue about Gilmores efficacy as a recruiter but he definitely can coach them up to the next level

[Calilama]

Originally Posted by RyanK

Especially #2. You have to remember that Gilmore is sort of the odd man out on this staff. The rest of the staff had worked together at some point when it was originally put together.

Beckman is not killing the program. Period. Nonetheless, Gilmores departure doesn't have to be about money or being the odd man out...it might just be that he prefers to coach a different style of play than Banks system requires...better for Banks to get his own guy..he's going to be held responsible no matter what

[NJJ87]

At this point it seems like it's every man for himself, the ship is sinking fast. You can't fault anyone on the staff for moving to where they'll have a better chance at keeping their job longer than the last day of the season this coming fall. Landing a quality OL or DL coach in this environment will be almost impossible, but thankfully there are a lot of mediocre coaches out there floating around who will gladly take the 1-year paycheck.

If I could link a video to represent Beckman right now, it would be Kevin Bacon in "Animal House" shouting "remain calm, all is well!!" before being run down by the stampede.

[RyanK]

Originally Posted by Calilama

Beckman is not killing the program. Period. Nonetheless, Gilmores departure doesn't have to be about money or being the odd man out...it might just be that he prefers to coach a different style of play than Banks system requires...better for Banks to get his own guy..he's going to be held responsible no matter what

Please tell me how Banks and Gilmore have differing styles...seems like you're reaching.

[Groundhogday]

Originally Posted by NJJ87

At this point it seems like it's every man for himself, the ship is sinking fast. You can't fault anyone on the staff for moving to where they'll have a better chance at keeping their job longer than the last day of the season this coming fall. Landing a quality OL or DL coach in this environment will be almost impossible, but thankfully there are a lot of mediocre coaches out there floating around who will gladly take the 1-year paycheck.

If I could link a video to represent Beckman right now, it would be Kevin Bacon in "Animal House" shouting "remain calm, all is well!!" before being run down by the stampede.

What are you talking about? Beatty was fired. Butkus and Gilmore had no previous ties to Beck, so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that they are moving on (or at least looking). Contrary to talk at the end of the season there has been no mass exodus of asst coaches.

Fedora has to replace a couple of coaches. Is his staff crumbling?

[Calilama]

Originally Posted by RyanK

Please tell me how Banks and Gilmore have differing styles...seems like you're reaching.

It wouldnt be Banks and Gilmore..it would be Banks and Koenning....Banks defensive lineman hold and read the gaps to free the linebackers and Vics guys played more 3 technique and shot the gaps in his scheme along with the linebackers...Gilmore just coaches the system his DC runs

you didn't notice the difference in Akeem Spences play under the two systems?
...Jonathan Brown perhaps...he went from Butkus Award watch list to a speed bump...

Not saying Banks won't build a great D...he has...but it's different than Vic's and it starts upfront

[RyanK]

Originally Posted by Calilama

It wouldnt be Banks and Gilmore..it would be Banks and Koenning....Banks defensive lineman hold and read the gaps to free the linebackers and Vics guys played more 3 technique and shot the gaps in his scheme along with the linebackers...Gilmore just coaches the system his DC runs

you didn't notice the difference in Akeem Spences play under the two systems?
...Jonathan Brown perhaps...he went from Butkus Award watch list to a speed bump...

Not saying Banks won't build a great D...he has...but it's different than Vic's and it starts upfront

Mercilus required a number of double teams last year which allowed Spence to beat his man time after time last year. This year, teams could jam him and he would be taken out of the play.

JB was hurt all year so nothing really to compare there...

[NJJ87]

Originally Posted by Groundhogday

What are you talking about? Beatty was fired. Butkus and Gilmore had no previous ties to Beck, so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that they are moving on (or at least looking). Contrary to talk at the end of the season there has been no mass exodus of asst coaches.

Fedora has to replace a couple of coaches. Is his staff crumbling?

UNC has lost 1 coach (not 2, the staff is in tact but with the rumored departure of the DL coach which is the basis for this thread) from an 8-4 team, and he is said to be moving to the SEC. There has been no mass exodus of coaches at Illinois because other than Gilmore, no one wants these guys. (If Gilmore stays, it will truly be a blessing for Illini football, but I'll bet on him leaving). The coaches who have left have gone to: 1. the unemployment line, 2. that DI powerhouse FIU

Beckman thought he could hire a bunch of young, energetic recruiters, but unfortunately none of them (with the exception of holdover Gilmore, and perhaps Salem) can coach a lick. So far in round 2 of attempting to build a Big10 quality staff he's convinced a pre-retirement just-fired coach looking to build up his retirement bank account to join him for a year. Oh, and he's had an opening for an OL coach for a month, right during the home stretch of recruiting season. Let's see who the next great talent he has lined up to coach up our OL. Should be very telling. And if he's got to find a DL coach as well, just consider that person more ballast for the SS Beckman.

[troyk]

Originally Posted by TexasIllini

How exactly is the potential departure of Gilmore Beckman's "killing of the program"?

1. He publicly acknowledged Gilmore was a good coach and retained him.

2. If Gilmore does leave, I am sure it is because of the following reasons: an increase in salary, the ability to coach with someone he is more familiar with (VK), and going to a program that is more committed to putting a consistent football program out there. Beckman has no control over those factors.

I thought all of that Big Ten money would allow us to be able to pay an assistant coach more than North Carolina.

[quhawks12]

Originally Posted by NJJ87

UNC has lost 1 coach (not 2, the staff is in tact but with the rumored departure of the DL coach which is the basis for this thread) from an 8-4 team, and he is said to be moving to the SEC. There has been no mass exodus of coaches at Illinois because other than Gilmore, no one wants these guys. (If Gilmore stays, it will truly be a blessing for Illini football, but I'll bet on him leaving). The coaches who have left have gone to: 1. the unemployment line, 2. that DI powerhouse FIU

As you see below UNC's DL coach is "rumored" to be gone. But, it's a 100% chance of it happening. The below is from Footballscoop. And my buddy, who is on the coaching staff at UNC, confirmed it.

South Carolina: Sources tell us that North Carolina defensive line coach Deke Adams will join the staff.

[AHSIllini32]

Originally Posted by troyk

I thought all of that Big Ten money would allow us to be able to pay an assistant coach more than North Carolina.

Your mistake is thinking it's all about money.