Illinois Football Staff Thread

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BananaShampoo

Captain 'Paign
Phoenix, AZ
S & C isn't winning ballgames. Ballgames involve strategy against unknown opponents who are being coached by others who are using their own strategy. S & C involves preparing the body to get stronger and enable a player to perform better at a given sport. It's a science with many pretty well known parameters and proven methods for achieving best results by training the human body, which in the case of D-1 athletes aren't all that much different in the fact you are dealing with generally healthy and genetically gifted individuals. Building strength, stamina, flexibility, and mobility is much more science and less an art than winning games. There are good, proven methods, and there are newfangled, unproven methods for training athletes that pop up all the time and become fads (bosu ball training, unwarranted focus on "stability" work and mobility at the expense of tried and true free weight training using compound movements, crossfit "techniques", etc). I think our last S&C coach and staff were a little too much focused on the fads and strayed much too far from the tried and true techniques. Hopefully the new guy has an approach more like Lou while still staying on the cutting edge of proven advancements in the field.
 
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I know next to nothing about strength training. But I can surmise that there are many excellent S&C coaches in the country, and just like great head coaches often have different "approaches", so likely do S&C coaches.

I hope this new guy produces similar RESULTS to what Lou produced. That's what matters.

Exactly. We want similar results. I do know a lot about strength training and coaching(its what I got my bachelors in). At the collegiate level, most coaches are all using about the same plan. Same exercises, same percentages, same sets, same reps.

Its more about being able to get the kids to work hard in the weight room to improve themselves. Many kids just throw up some easy weight to give themselves small numbers on the max charts so they dont have to work hard. They fake sickness and injury to not lift. Amazing how many kids think they will just out play someone without working in the weight room.

From there you have to hope the nutritionist can get them to eat how they are supposed to help build some muscle and reduce any unwanted fat.
 
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S & C isn't winning ballgames. Ballgames involve strategy against unknown opponents who are being coached by others who are using their own strategy. S & C involves preparing the body to get stronger and enable a player to perform better at a given sport. It's a science with many pretty well known parameters and proven methods for achieving best results by training the human body, which in the case of D-1 athletes aren't all that much different in the fact you are dealing with generally healthy and genetically gifted individuals. Building strength, stamina, flexibility, and mobility is much more science and less an art than winning games. There are good, proven methods, and there are newfangled, unproven methods for training athletes that pop up all the time and become fads (bosu ball training, unwarranted focus on "stability" work and mobility at the expense of tried and true free weight training using compound movements, crossfit "techniques", etc). I think our last S&C coach and staff were a little too much focused on the fads and strayed much too far from the tried and true techniques. Hopefully the new guy has an approach more like Lou while still staying on the cutting edge of proven advancements in the field.

Im not sure what our last s&c staff was doing in there but a lot of our guys sure didnt look the part out on the field. At the same time, some did. So like I said in that previous post, I dont know if just couldnt get them to put the work in or what. Theres also a lot on the assistants. The head sc coach cant individually work with all the guys everytime. The assistants have to be making sure the guys are putting in work and not be their buddy and let them slack off.
 
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ATL Chief

Jacksonville
I'm hopeful we get a great S&C coach, but the coach doesn't get the team ripped. Hard work gets the team ripped.

It's like my buddies that swear by Crossfit...Crossfit doesn't get better results because there's some secret to it. People who stick with crossfit get results because they kill themselves in weight room.

Take a guy like FEJ. He is shredded because he WORKS. Give me a team of FEJs (dedicated in the weight room) over some guru S&C coach with halfway motivated players any day.
 
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I'm hopeful we get a great S&C coach, but the coach doesn't get the team ripped. Hard work gets the team ripped.

It's like my buddies that swear by Crossfit...Crossfit doesn't get better results because there's some secret to it. People who stick with crossfit get results because they kill themselves in weight room.

Take a guy like FEJ. He is shredded because he WORKS. Give me a team of FEJs (dedicated in the weight room) over some guru S&C coach with halfway motivated players any day.

You gotta want it, and there is a genetic component involved as well, but there is a lot of science behind human athletic performance and different training regiments of equal difficulty can have very different results.

So it's a combo you want in your S&C guy, someone who can apply that scientific knowledge, and also someone who can motivate the guys (and his staff) to put those theories into practice.
 
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ATL Chief

Jacksonville
You gotta want it, and there is a genetic component involved as well, but there is a lot of science behind human athletic performance and different training regiments of equal difficulty can have very different results.

So it's a combo you want in your S&C guy, someone who can apply that scientific knowledge, and also someone who can motivate the guys (and his staff) to put those theories into practice.

Completely agree. However, I'm not convinced there are S&C guys at this level that can't put the science into practice. I have several friends that are personal trainer geniuses and they are working entry level training jobs at various levels (D1 fball and AA baseball).
 
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I hope this new guy produces similar RESULTS to what Lou produced. That's what matters.

Well, we agree on this. It is all I am saying. And, BananaShampoo's comments about straying into "fad" match what I was wondering about regarding the last regime.
 
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DReq

Always Illini
Central Illinois
Just FYI the S&C position was just posted so even if someone is lined up there will be no hire until the March 24 closing date. We get a week to hear the rumors!
 
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Don't get me wrong, I like the current staff, but I feel like we are missing that key Illinois recruiter. I imagined Hecklinski would be retained because of his state ties but alas that was not the case. Hope Ward has established some Illinois connections because I feel that the rest of the staff (maybe sans Butkus) are lacking in that area. Please tell me I'm wrong.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I like the current staff, but I feel like we are missing that key Illinois recruiter. I imagined Hecklinski would be retained because of his state ties but alas that was not the case. Hope Ward has established some Illinois connections because I feel that the rest of the staff (maybe sans Butkus) are lacking in that area. Please tell me I'm wrong.

You are forgetting McGarigle. 32 years old. From Catholic League. All Big Ten at Northwestern. Considered a very good recruiter. Played in the NFL. Rising star, IMO.

Ward is strong in Illinois. Butkus. And, of course, Lovie.

What connections do you imagine Hecklinski would have that this group doesn't?
 
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You are forgetting McGarigle. 32 years old. From Catholic League. All Big Ten at Northwestern. Considered a very good recruiter. Played in the NFL. Rising star, IMO.

Ward is strong in Illinois. Butkus. And, of course, Lovie.

What connections do you imagine Hecklinski would have that this group doesn't?

Ward has been a recruiter in-state since 2005 and McGarigle is a Catholic League legend. I think the name Butkus and Lovie will be great for in-state. I agree with you. I think we will have better in-state luck than the past 25 years with this staff
 
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Kramer116

Chicago
You are forgetting McGarigle. 32 years old. From Catholic League. All Big Ten at Northwestern. Considered a very good recruiter. Played in the NFL. Rising star, IMO.

Ward is strong in Illinois. Butkus. And, of course, Lovie.

What connections do you imagine Hecklinski would have that this group doesn't?

McGarigle is the one new guy on the staff I am most excited about from those we don't know much about yet. Big time potential.

Can't wait to see how this turns out this year.
 
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Ward has been a recruiter in-state since 2005 and McGarigle is a Catholic League legend. I think the name Butkus and Lovie will be great for in-state. I agree with you. I think we will have better in-state luck than the past 25 years with this staff

This staff should be able to clean up in state. Also I love the connections to Florida and California - very strong connections.
 
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Ward has been a recruiter in-state since 2005 and McGarigle is a Catholic League legend. I think the name Butkus and Lovie will be great for in-state. I agree with you. I think we will have better in-state luck than the past 25 years with this staff

Ya I hope that's the case. I don't doubt that we have the big name coaching angle covered, I just hope that we can build/repair the critical inroads with all of the Illinois high school programs in order to get the best in-state talent. Either way I'm really looking forward to this upcoming recruiting season.
 
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Ya I hope that's the case. I don't doubt that we have the big name coaching angle covered, I just hope that we can build/repair the critical inroads with all of the Illinois high school programs in order to get the best in-state talent.

From what I've heard, Beckman and staff really made the effort to build those bridges that Zook had ignored during his later years, and in-state high school coaches really appreciated it and felt the love and had personal affection for Beckman...but he was just such a goober and the program was such a clownshow that they just felt they couldn't in good conscience recommend for their players to go there.
 
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From what I've heard, Beckman and staff really made the effort to build those bridges that Zook had ignored during his later years, and in-state high school coaches really appreciated it and felt the love and had personal affection for Beckman...but he was just such a goober and the program was such a clownshow that they just felt they couldn't in good conscience recommend for their players to go there.

All of this is true.
 
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How would you guys rate the staff he put together? I would give it a B +. Pretty darn good all things considered. My biggest question mark is the Butkus hire. Definitely need to see how that turns out. If we would have got Spencer as RB coach that would have been awesome. Also, I like that they hired a true ST guy. But the guys special teams were near the bottom in the NFL ha.
 
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Kramer116

Chicago
How would you guys rate the staff he put together? I would give it a B +. Pretty darn good all things considered. My biggest question mark is the Butkus hire. Definitely need to see how that turns out. If we would have got Spencer as RB coach that would have been awesome. Also, I like that they hired a true ST guy. But the guys special teams were near the bottom in the NFL ha.

Considering this entire staff was hired in March, definitely feel B+ is fair.
 
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Everyone talks about in state recruiting and while I agree mostly that we need to keep the kids home, Illinois isn't exactly a top tier talent rich state. The really good ones leave and it would be nice if we can start landing them but in football I don't think Illinois necessarily needs to land all the instate players. I'm excited with this staff and them seemingly having an ability to recruit nationally.
 
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blmillini

Bloomington, IL
Everyone talks about in state recruiting and while I agree mostly that we need to keep the kids home, Illinois isn't exactly a top tier talent rich state. The really good ones leave and it would be nice if we can start landing them but in football I don't think Illinois necessarily needs to land all the instate players. I'm excited with this staff and them seemingly having an ability to recruit nationally.

Successful "state" programs keep most of the kids within their state and supplement from outside. Name me a public program where that isn't true. Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State... they all have substantial "in state" presence.
 
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Everyone talks about in state recruiting and while I agree mostly that we need to keep the kids home, Illinois isn't exactly a top tier talent rich state. The really good ones leave and it would be nice if we can start landing them but in football I don't think Illinois necessarily needs to land all the instate players. I'm excited with this staff and them seemingly having an ability to recruit nationally.

No, you don't need to get "all" of them, but you need to get your share. Recently we've been getting 1 or 2 out of the top 10/20, that's not good enough.