Jaylon Tate's case dismissed

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Soxfreak64
^ What he said. It isn't a conflict between mandatory counseling and practice times that will determine whether Tate and Nunn are booted. In other words, the sentence doesn't (or at least shouldn't) matter to Groce and Co.

If they're found guilty, they're out.
 
#103      
TCTORNADO
kuhl84 said:
The University can choose to renew, or not to renew, either scholarship for any reason.

It doesn't matter if either individual is convicted or not. The legal proceedings and their status on the basketball team are two entirely different situations. I am aware that JW and JG have indicated they would let the legal process play out before determining their future.

In my mind, it does not matter what they plead to, but whether or not the facts support whether or not they were actually responsible for the domestic battery. If the preponderance of evidence shows that they were indeed responsible, I believe the suspensions will become permanent, regardless of what lesser offense they plead to.

FYI, I would fully support that position for either individual.
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The office of Student Affairs will deal with this so as to not have JG and JW have anymore awkward press conferences.
 
#104      
DrewD007
whovous said:
Question for both this and the Nunn case. What sort of plea options are available here? I understand that these are misdemeanor charges and that court supervision rather than a conviction is easy to imagine, but is there something other than domestic battery to which they could plead? Is there a way to say "I did not hit her, but I do admit to some other related offense"?

I worry that any domestic battery plea, with or without the sting of conviction, might force the University to revoke the scholarship. How does one plead this down, especially with the injuries shown by Tate's victim?

Or does this one just have to go to trial? If the victim takes the stand for Tate I could see that getting awfully difficult for her, but it is hard to imagine a conviction.
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Domestic Battery is not eligible for court supervision in Illinois. I don't know about Champaign County, but in the county which I practice, there are a few options for resolving domestic cases. First, plead guilty and conviction is entered. Second, and most common, is a pre-trial diversion program where the defendant pleads guilty, but upon successful completion of the 32 week program the charge is dismissed. If they fail to complete the program a conviction is entered. Third, have a trial. Fourth, and this rarely happens in my county, is amend the charge to simple battery or disorderly conduct.
 
#105      
jonnymo
Am I the only one that read the article and read where it said video survailence was pulled from tate's apartment complex and when she left she appeared to be fine at that time. Then went to Lee's apartment.
 
#106      
Newman
jonnymo said:
Am I the only one that read the article and read where it said video survailence was pulled from tate's apartment complex and when she left she appeared to be fine at that time. Then went to Lee's apartment.
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You do know that there is probably more evidence than what has been presented in the news, right?
 
#108      
SaltLakeIllini
jonnymo said:
Am I the only one that read the article and read where it said video survailence was pulled from tate's apartment complex and when she left she appeared to be fine at that time. Then went to Lee's apartment.
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I thought it said that they couldn't conclude from the video if she was injured or not.
 
#109      
dsboyce
Second and Chalmers said:
They could plead it down to all sorts of things, but that's up to the prosecutor's discretion.
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If they plead it down to a lesser charge, I don't see any way they would remain on the team. They are either unequivocally innocent or they are gone.
 
#110      
Newman
dsboyce said:
If they plead it down to a lesser charge, I don't see any way they would remain on the team. They are either unequivocally innocent or they are gone.
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I'm starting to believe that too, for everyone but Black. Not because of his need, but because domestic violence is a bigger pr nightmare.
 
#111      
CrazedUIFan
Newman said:
I'm starting to believe that too, for everyone but Black. Not because of his need, but because domestic violence is a bigger pr nightmare.
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Agree. Tate's case to me shows how many cases of domestic violence goes. Whether it was him or not, it's apparent she was hit by someone. Her recanting only spotlights the problem with domestic violence. It ties closely with the same issues with rape. Fear in retaliation or backlash reporting and following through is far too common, especially on college campuses.
 
#112      
Foggy Notion
dsboyce said:
If they plead it down to a lesser charge, I don't see any way they would remain on the team. They are either unequivocally innocent or they are gone.
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Sometimes innocent people make plea deals because going to trial is too risky.
 
#113      
ILLINIShox24
Foggy Notion said:
Sometimes innocent people make plea deals because going to trial is too risky.
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True. But they would still be gone. Any plea, even if they are innocent and they are trying to avoid a mistaken judge giving them a long sentence, will result in their removal from the team IMO.
 
#116      
TownieMatt
Second and Chalmers said:
Huh. Wonder what that's about. Not sure how the judges work their dockets in Champaign County, but 10 days seems awfully quick for a motion hearing.
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Nothing quite like courtroom procedural drama to keeps us captivated by Illini hoops in the spring! :popcorn:
 
#117      
JoseyWales83
Matt Loveless ‏@MattLoveless 11m11 minutes ago
Attorney Evan Bruno says they'll also have sworn affidavits with two ppl who say they were with Tate all night, and Tate didn't do anything.
 
#118      
champaignchris
If the motions have already been filed by the prosecutor, it's a matter of public record.

If it's not filed and there's a 10-day turnaround, then it's probably something that the defendant is not contesting.

If it's something the defendant is not contesting, there's a pretty small subset of motions that could be involved - a motion to amend the complaint to a lesser charge, a motion to dismiss, and I can't think of anything much else.

Those would usually be granted without hearing, but it could be that the prosecutor is waiting for evidence from the defense (such as in JoseyWales83's post) before going forward with its motion.

I have no inside information whatsoever, but I'm going to guess this is good news for Mr. Tate.
 
#119      
Berg88
Second and Chalmers said:
Huh. Wonder what that's about. Not sure how the judges work their dockets in Champaign County, but 10 days seems awfully quick for a motion hearing.
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The online docket information shows that hearing date was set back on the 14th, so that would give a more reasonable 15 days.
 
#120      
whovous
The online docket shows that the hearing will be on the People's motions in limine to admit victim statements. These motions were filed on March 29 and involve the "excited utterances" discussed here earlier. If they are allowed, it means the case goes forward. If they are denied, and if the "victim" refuses to co-operate, then the case is probably over.

I, too, lack any and all inside info, but I would not be surprised if matters are taken under advisement by the Court.
 
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#121      
Second and Chalmers
whovous said:
The online docket shows that the hearing will be on the People's motions in limine to admit victim statements. These motions were filed on March 29 and involve the "excited utterances" discussed here earlier. If they are allowed, it means the case goes forward. If they are denied, and if the "victim" refuses to co-operate, then the case is probably over.

I, too, lack any and all inside info, but I would not be surprised if matters are taken under advisement by the Court.
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That is some top notch online sleuthing, and I think you are exactly right. Thanks!
 
#123      
NScale
Recall that the members of this discussion board wanted all 3 BB players dismissed from the squad, thrown out of school, and John Groce fired and sent to the Russian Front as the usual knee jerk reactions before any facts were forthcoming. Have we calmed down?
 
#124      
Cubby Blue
NScale said:
Recall that the members of this discussion board wanted all 3 BB players dismissed from the squad, thrown out of school, and John Groce fired and sent to the Russian Front as the usual knee jerk reactions before any facts were forthcoming. Have we calmed down?
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we?
 
#125      
Give it to Greene
NScale said:
Recall that the members of this discussion board wanted all 3 BB players dismissed from the squad, thrown out of school, and John Groce fired and sent to the Russian Front as the usual knee jerk reactions before any facts were forthcoming. Have we calmed down?
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The Russian Front ? How about a Siberian Gulag ? :eek::eek: lmfao.....
 
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