That already happened. Really doesn't have any impact on the NCAA's decision, however.
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That already happened. Really doesn't have any impact on the NCAA's decision, however.
They did. But this is not quite something that would put a school as robust and well-reputed as UNC into serious accreditation hot water.
This is just kind of an awkward situation. This is not nearly as cut-and-dried as the Penn State situation where the NCAA's lack of jurisdiction was hair-on-fire obvious. But they seem to have been very chastened by that experience. Who knows what they will do here.
The rationale for having the NCAA punish UNC is that these fake classes were disproportionately filled with student athletes, which would seem to indicate that the athletics teams were aware that the classes were shams, and routed their students to them to gain an advantage.
But if that's all it is, then responsibility lies with the AFAM department, not the athletic department.
I was under the impression that these sham classes were in some way fostered by and could be interpreted as an instrumentality of the athletic department itself. That gets you within shouting distance of the NCAA's jurisdiction.
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[FONT="]back-to-back tweets -- NCAA hammers Samford. UNC? We'll see
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[FONT="]Roy Williams: "I hope to coach 'til I can't," and added he just told a recruit last week he hoped to coach "another 5-9 years" that would take him up to 75.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Take time to watch this. Ridiculous NCAA rules in action. Sanford did nothing wrong, yet shamed as violators:
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[FONT="]Jay Bilas @JayBilas[/FONT]
[FONT="]Take time to watch this. Ridiculous NCAA rules in action. Sanford did nothing wrong, yet shamed as violators:
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The NCAA did nothing of the sort. Probation, a fine, and nothing else.
I tell ya, Jerry Tarkanian must be rolling in his grave. His bit about Cleveland State and Kentucky was a good line, but the fact that everyone believed him acts as the keystone of NCAA power today.
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3 years probation. i thought they said they also had to vacate wins and/or championships.
if it's not a hammer to vacate championships and give 3 years probation, maybe call it a "love tap"?
SaMford the latest to fit the bill.....
"the NCAA was so pissed at [UNC] they punished [Samford] harshly...."
Little guy always takes the fall to divert attention away from the real issue. Same thing happened on the playground when I was in grade school. Fricking bullies with no balls in all walks of life.
Eh.. Vacating wins and a $5,000 fine is nothing. The punishment doesn't affect recruiting, scholarships, or anything.
Seems like 3 yr probation may have impact on recruiting...? Maybe not though.
Not sure how it would. Probation just means they can't do anything stupid in the next 3 years, it doesn't include any restrictions.
By showing that these classes disproportionately benefitted atheletes, they are trying to show some type of collusion between the AFAM and the athletic department, which is to say that without the athletes being fed into these classes they probably would not have existed. It will really come down to if they can collect enough evidence to show that the athletic staff encouraged students into these classes, and encouraged the department to offer them.
It's the second part that's critical. The first part, pushing your academic strugglers toward the easiest classes the University offers is standard operating procedure at every program in America. That's just business as usual. It's when that crosses over into influencing what the University offers that it becomes a problem.
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So UI's flower arranging and tennis classes are cupcakes?
Problem is, classes like that are just for fun and or to fill missing electives, not your core classes. When core classes are a complete sham that's a big problem, and right now the NCAA is strongly encouraging this via lack of rule enforcement.
Just as they can use statistical analysis to prove discrimination in hiring (i.e. the odds that a certain number of employees would be a certain classification can be so slim as to prove discrimination), the NCAA could use the proportion of athletes in the classes to statistically prove that the sham classes were established and/or used by the athletic department to circumvent academic eligibility requirements. If the NCAA feels that UNC should be punished (i.e. Penn State case), they can legally justify the punishment. But I am not going to get my hopes up for that until it is done - hopefully the NCAA realizes that there is a lot of people watching just like they did in the Penn State case.
The NCAA is not an accreditation body. What constitutes a bona fide college class is not really any of its business. Division 3 is full of hippy-dippy liberal arts colleges where climbing a tree gets you graduate-level credit, that is the prerogative of each University and its accrediting body.
The NCAA comes into play if an athletic department is setting up sham classes itself, or completing coursework on the players' behalf.
By that measure, every 100-level RST class at U of I is a DIA-propagated sham.
So UI's flower arranging and tennis classes are cupcakes?
Problem is, classes like that are just for fun and or to fill missing electives, not your core classes. When core classes are a complete sham that's a big problem, and right now the NCAA is strongly encouraging this via lack of rule enforcement.
Hey hey hey!!! Floral arrangement had it's difficulties - especially if you weren't good with tying bows. Plus that and tennis offers quite the culturing experience that you wouldn't believe adds value in your professional careers and elevator conversation.
Now drug use and abuse got a little rough and I had to drop that cupcake. I also got word that Rocks for Jocks got hard during the last couple years of my tenure as well.
Needless to say your core point is 100% true. It's totally different to have students take on less research intensive cultural enhancements vs receiving a benefit of credits and a degree for merely involuntary breathing.
New fat to chew on: ncaa amended allegations to UNC
http://www.scout.com/college/north-...m_medium=HootSuitePost&utm_campaign=HootSuite
Here you go deputy dog!
http://www.scout.com/college/north-...m_medium=HootSuitePost&utm_campaign=HootSuite
Here you go deputy dog!
http://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpe.../2016/04/NOA_Amended_042516_NorthCarolina.pdf
No mention of Men's Basketball in new NOA. I am confused if this replaces the old NOA, because if it does, what happened to all of the MBB allegations?
No mention of Men's Basketball in new NOA. I am confused if this replaces the old NOA, because if it does, what happened to all of the MBB allegations?
http://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpe.../2016/04/NOA_Amended_042516_NorthCarolina.pdf
No mention of Men's Basketball in new NOA. I am confused if this replaces the old NOA, because if it does, what happened to all of the MBB allegations?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-it...-c--s-men-s-basketball-program-220926833.html
Article by Pat Forde saying how it looks like the NCAA will go soft on UNC.....a bunch of crap this investigation is turning out to be. Should not be surprised as the NCAA protects the blue blood programs. These violations should bring major penalties along with lack of institutional control. Also, coaching staffs had to be directing the students to these classes, but with no mention of the men's bball team, Roy will escape without any charges. I have to laugh that they are saying it is the women's team that will face the brunt of the penalties.
Least surprising news ever. I thought that the NCAA might not make it so obvious, but they clearly don't care. UNC men's hoops = golden.
What a load. I can't even put this into proper words.
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