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Like he's going to move there? That's likely.
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Like he's going to move there? That's likely.
As in to replace Lickliter at Marion University?
How up to date are their facilities? Serious question.
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Again, in the last 30 years each school has been to two Final Fours apiece.
Indiana was a blueblood in the olden days. Same with UCLA. Both are still very good programs, but Michigan State has been more of a blueblood in the BT for 20 years.
The four bluebloods are Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky
There was a time many years ago that Army was a blueblood in football. But times change. Indiana is a really good program these days but no longer a blueblood. I put them with Arizona, UCLA, Michigan State, Villanova, and a few others.
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That's interesting since he was immediately mentioned as a possible successor at NC St. after they fired Gottfried.
Anecdotally, I work in Richmond with a number of State grads, and the two guys they all talk about are Archie and Keatts.
This is fairly irrelevant to the obvious truth that Indiana is a much better job than NC State, but because it's so ridiculous:
NCAA Seeds and conference records
Gottfried at NC State:
2012: 11
2013: 8
2014: 12
2015: 8
2016: None
2017: None
Crean at Indiana:
2012: 4
2013: 1
2014: None
2015: 10
2016: 5
2017: None
Just the fact that IU was not available yesterday and Martin was still in the market would tell you that it is a very dynamic market of musical chairs. One win may not do it (and hopefully, they lose), but you also have the risk of advancing even further, more jobs become available, more coaches get off the market.
LOL - I look forward to the fallout and second guessing on here when Groce, once again, "overachieves" and gets hired by an institution that most never thought possible. It's gonna be good readin'. Sit back and enjoy.
Indiana, tradition wise, is still considered a blueblood job. I don't agree they have more money for the same candidate. I don't think most coaches in play for UI would get substantially more from IU (outbid) and yes there is more attention nationally (although exaggerated) but illinois is seen as a top 15 job when they compete and get the attention of one. the difference is exaggerated and frankly as is the difference in the fanbase sizes.. More preferential access to a larger talent pool? How so? Could you back this up with some numbers? Because in 2017 I see P5 schools that aren't necessarily very good regularly pull in recruits nationally. This is't 1985. Coaches can recruit nationally or they can't that doesn't magically change per school.
I like you went the national route to purposely misdirect from the fact Indiana splits its recruits with 2 other regular ncaa tournament teams.. Meanwhile Illinois splits its with a team that just made its first tournament ever.
Meanwhile let's not actually discuss Illinois talent vs. Indiana recruit wise.. Whole other can of worms I suppose.
It's going to come down to a fit. An Archie Miller might want to try to be "the big shot" at a traditional elite school. I'd be shocked if Gregg Marshall, who previously liked to be a big fish in a small pond, wants to deal with all the strings attached and egos of Indiana boosters/fans. And Bennett, after the way his sister was treated, sure as heck isn't going there.
It comes down to personal preference. Nothing is substantially better enough to say that it would be the difference maker in a coach choosing one school over another.
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Bennett is an excellent coach but a Keatts team would be a lot more fun to watch.
IU has expectations that are not realistic. Crean's reputation with withdrawn Scollies caught up with him. Alford would be crazy to take that job. Not a strong recruiting class and no patience. No future. UI better job at this point in time. Location only weakness and may not be to some.
Love to see Archie but (looks like he can beat Winthrop) but very happy with Keatts with some Midwest !!!'ts.
But maybe JW has a better candidate locked in and the posting not the tourn is the holdup.
There are only four true bluebloods these days: Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC. Indiana no longer belongs in that group. Those schools select players in recruiting and rarely lose someone they want unless it is to one of the other three. Indiana struggles to keep their own top players from Indiana home these days.
Come talk to me about Duke's blueblood status once Coach K's replacement gets fired.
Not great news, but they can only hire one coach. We have more that one coach interested in our job. We will get somebody good. If we truly have a shot at Bennett, we do know that IU will not be competition for him.
Kentucky fans have their pitchforks ready.
I don't disagree, but I want to hear your timeline, just because I'm curious.
seth greenberg just through out idea of donovan maybe to indiana....given he signed up for durant and westbrook at okc...maybe ready to move?
No doubt that Indiana is below Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky, the four main bluebloods. But I still think Indiana and UCLA still remain "name" schools above the rest. Certainly Arizona, Michigan State, etc. are just a very small step behind. I do not think Villanova is at that level, further behind IMO.
Agreed, everything moves very quick in the coaching market, but I don't think that Keatts winning a few games in the tournament opens up that many jobs to him at schools that are both unambiguously better than Illinois and which aren't looking at him right now.
Talking about the market being crowded is a separate issue. A lot of openings would probably raise the price it would take to get Keatts, which I said in my very first comment on this. Him winning a couple game in the tournament would do the same thing, which I also said.
I agree. Blue Bloods are a tired notion. What matters is that the AD has the resources to make sure they pay for a top tier coach and facilities. If Duke gets hung up on staying within the Coach K tree, all signs point to them falling back to the pack quickly.
So if Mark Few loses this game does he become attainable for us?
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I think its the characterization of Self as not an X's and O's coach that had me scratching my head. He's not Dick Bennett, but he's not Calipari either.
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