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Yeah, and the sky is falling...Geez. R-E-L-A-X people. I still appreciate your input, FG, but I worry that you are going to worry yourself into a worry. Whitman's got this...and I don't need it to be a BIG SPLASH...just the right splash.
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Not sure you want to take that train. You'll be crying lately thinking about the world as it is.
Hmmm, not getting it.
Ps - I loved Olaf, human victory cigar!
It has nothing to do with being aware, it has to do with elevating your stock to the point that you become a candidate for certain jobs. I am certainly aware of Keatts, he is very involved in AAU and recruiting, and he has obviously been very high on my list from the very beginning.
Before the tournament though, Keatts may not have receive the attention or even approval from someone like Indiana (especially), or even Illinois. But getting a huge upset win in the tournament, or possibly even advancing further, will elevate his stock for positions. You strike out with Bennett (IMO very possible, I think he stays at UVA), and Archie (also possible), Martin is already off the board, you may be all of a sudden competing with more schools for Keatts (e.g., Indiana).
Keatts needs to win his way to the Final Four before he's a viable Indiana candidate, IMO.
One game is meaningless.
I think money rides on this game. If UNCW gets to the Sweet 16, and they obviously have to win this to do that, then Keatts probably demands a higher salary than if he loses today. But I'm not even sure what difference looks like.
Why? How many schools in the state are there to split players with? What kind of expectations are there at Indiana? How much better is the pay going to be (doesn't sound like much better).
At Indiana they are expecting to hire the next Bobby Knight. At Illinois we are wanting to make the tournament yearly and make some tournament runs here and there. Expectations, realism be darned, are exponentially higher because of what Indiana did 25 years ago.
The entitlement is a whole step above with fans too and "big boosters" with the "my way or the highway" thing.. People make fun of RG and his "cronies" with nicknames for the group it's 10x worse at Indiana.
If they were going to pay the same I would take the Illinois job.
I do too. It's been 30 years since IU won their last championship. Now I'm not saying they're still not still a bigger name but they may not be to everybody and especially not to recruits.
Example: Would someone like Archie Miller be able recruit better at IU than UI? Would he be able to recruit Chicago better at IU than UI? I seriously doubt both.
Simple: more of everything. Anything we can do, they can do better.
It's not even terribly close.
You do know he was an assistant coach for a while right????
Take a look at this list of openings from yesterday, which doesn't have Indiana on it: http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...hing-changes-mizzou-hires-cals-cuonzo-martin/
The only school with an opening right now that is unambiguously a better job is Indiana. If Keatts makes it to an Elite 8, then yeah he probably becomes a contender for the IU job. But beyond IU, what other positions are out there that will be put in play if UNCW beats UVA? What other schools would be competing against?
The ADs for Indiana and NCSU didn't fire established coaches to replace them with a relative unknown such as Keatts. Gottfried and Crean both have gotten their teams to the NCAAs most years, and that's not enough for those schools. They're each looking for a big name coach who they think can get them to the top of their conference and put banners in the rafters. Keatts doesn't check that box because this is his first year in the tournament. These schools aren't relegated to looking for a mid-major coach or the next up-and-comer. They need a name brand coach, and that's not Keatts at this point in his career.
I think Marshall to Indiana and I don't know who to NCSU, but it won't be Keatts, and I think Archie is holding out for tOSU so it won't be him.
One of these things is not like the other.
You mean during those loaded late 80's Oklahoma St teams?
What can they do considerably better? They split the state with 2 other regular tournament teams, they aren't going to pay considerably better, and they have unrealistic expectations/egos where if it's not Billy D or Brad Stevens there is going to be crying day one about the hire. Greg Marshall won't want to deal with it.
If you want to actually discuss this instead of "because I say so" let me know.
Gottfried got there 4 out of 6 years. Crean 4 out of 9. I'll give Crean the benefit of the doubt his first 3 because of the Sampscum fallout.
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They have more money, more resources, better facilites, a bigger fanbase, more attention nationally, and most importantly, more preferential access to a larger talent pool.
Indiana is not a blue blood anymore, if they ever were, but that's an outstanding job.
I think Marshall would love to have that job. He's a Knight worshiper. He could be the guy to help them reconcile. Alford wasn't good enough for them the last time, I have my doubts about whether they'll interview him this time. Nobody who is up for this job is contemplate failure. Their ego won't allow it.
Heck even Bruce Weber's ego won't let him admit that he failed here. These are sociopathic unicorns we're talking about here.
Coached into the early 90s too with some very good teams under Eddie Sutton. I didn't know saying Bill Self was a good recruiter prior to Illinois was so controversial. Really only need to listen to him speak once, and you kind of know the guy could charm a rattlesnake
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