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Key phrase: "It's offensive to some people." As long as that's one of the criteria, nothing is off the table.
Key phrase: "It's offensive to some people." As long as that's one of the criteria, nothing is off the table.
Right. So pick your battles, as opposed to turning every skirmish into your Alamo.
http://deadspin.com/illinois-athletics-director-i-love-our-war-chant-but-1798521068
Comments are interesting...
I mean, the War Chant is pretty much a not-distant cousin of the Tomahawak Chop. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find the Chop to be creepy and in poor taste.
And why would you love to see the reaction? Let me spoil it for you: if you don't have the Seminole Nation giving this an explicit thumbs up, you can get bent or miss the postseason.
See above - you can describe the Tomahawk Chop as just drums and horns as well. But it's less about it being offensive on its face, and more about it being distinctly Native American, especially after claiming to have dropped our Native American imagery 10 years ago. It's a wink and a nod to something we said we were retiring - which is also why people are so up in arms over it.
I mean, the War Chant is pretty much a not-distant cousin of the Tomahawak Chop. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find the Chop to be creepy and in poor taste.
I I agree with you, I was trying to make a point. The tomahawk chop cannot be deemed offensive for a school like Illinois, ( I know we don't do it, it is an example)but acceptable for a school like FSU
And why would you love to see the reaction? Let me spoil it for you: if you don't have the Seminole Nation giving this an explicit thumbs up, you can get bent or miss the postseason.
Again, I am referring to the reaction of the NCAA. Specifically how could they come down on us or other schools, but allow FSU to do it. And for the record, I am not buying the "support" of the Seminole Nation argument.
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100% correct.
That letter was an absolute joke. If Whitman was confident in the decision, and believed all that unity crap, this would've been a perfect letter to accompany the announcement. Instead its 3 days later after hearing all the backlash.
I have a feeling anything associated with native culture (rightly or wrongly) will automatically be deemed racist even though it clearly isn't. Common sense on these issues would be appreciated.
Maybe I'm naive, but I'd rather have a patient and methodical approach/statement from the AD rather than just releasing a statement willy nilly. You only get one chance at your official statement, when we look at back this in a couple years, it won't matter that it came like 36 hours after the university let it slip that they were stopping the song.
Again, I am referring to the reaction of the NCAA. Specifically how could they come down on us or other schools, but allow FSU to do it. And for the record, I am not buying the "support" of the Seminole Nation argument.
100% correct.
That letter was an absolute joke. If Whitman was confident in the decision, and believed all that unity crap, this would've been a perfect letter to accompany the announcement. Instead its 3 days later after hearing all the backlash.
Maybe I'm naive, but I'd rather have a patient and methodical approach/statement from the AD rather than just releasing a statement willy nilly. You only get one chance at your official statement, when we look at back this in a couple years, it won't matter that it came like 36 hours after the university let it slip that they were stopping the song.
That's really the depressing part about all of this, and all of the "cultural appropriation" stigma. Maybe we weren't recognizing American Indians in the most appropriate ways with the Chief and all the other traditions, but declaring any reference to any other culture as "racist" means that we're bound to forget ancient cultures all together.
Right. So pick your battles, as opposed to turning every skirmish into your Alamo.
http://deadspin.com/illinois-athletics-director-i-love-our-war-chant-but-1798521068
Comments are interesting...
Key phrase: "It's offensive to some people." As long as that's one of the criteria, nothing is off the table.
Right. So pick your battles, as opposed to turning every skirmish into your Alamo.
I agree with you on FSU, but the NCAA isn't driving the retirement of the war chant.
See above - you can describe the Tomahawk Chop as just drums and horns as well. But it's less about it being offensive on its face, and more about it being distinctly Native American, especially after claiming to have dropped our Native American imagery 10 years ago. It's a wink and a nod to something we said we were retiring - which is also why people are so up in arms over it.
Let's face it. The name "Fighting Illini" is our Alamo.
They will come for it and there will be no battle. Just a Chancellor laying down arms in the name of political correctness.
Let's face it. The name "Fighting Illini" is our Alamo. It's offensive to some people. They will come for it and there will be no battle. Just a Chancellor laying down arms in the name of political correctness.
Only a matter of time.
I agree and said this on page one of this thread.
I disagree. The Chancellor is on record in the N-G today saying the exact opposite of this. And again, all of you that are caterwauling about the "they" (the activists, the professors, etc.) apparently do not understand what happened to the Chief. "They" didn't do anything - the NCAA did.
Do you think it's a foregone conclusion the NCAA is going to go to the mattresses in order to assign outsized and inaccurate Native American significance to the term "Fighting Illini"? Maybe you do think that. I don't.
"We have had no systematic discussions about the Three-in-One the way that we've had about the chant,"
To the bolded, here's his quote on Three-in-One:
"No systematic discussions" <> "No discussions"
That doesn't mean that 3 in 1 is going away anytime soon, but that quote is not in any way a denial that there's been discussions.
I agree and said this on page one of this thread.
I disagree. The Chancellor is on record in the N-G today saying the exact opposite of this. And again, all of you that are caterwauling about the "they" (the activists, the professors, etc.) apparently do not understand what happened to the Chief. "They" didn't do anything - the NCAA did.
Do you think it's a foregone conclusion the NCAA is going to go to the mattresses in order to assign outsized and inaccurate Native American significance to the term "Fighting Illini"? Maybe you do think that. I don't.
I think these are 2 separate items. The NCAA had nothing to do with this decision.
The NCAA basically forced the Chief decision by banning us from holding any NCAA championship events until the Chief was gone.
This decision was made to acquiesce to the vocal minority without putting up any fight or giving supporters forewarning.