FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation

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Calvin
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KrushCow31
NEIlliniFan said:
Just in case it isn't clear, Federal subpoenas were issued for OSU plus the other three schools whose assistants were charged. Not just OSU.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-college-basketball-investigation-20171011-story.html
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This actually makes me feel a lot better. I had thought it was only OSU that got the subpoenas. That made me think OSU in particular had done something particularly bad. Thanks for clearing that up.

Also, I wonder who the USC players that were paid were. Once a Sophomore, one a Freshman. Nick Rakocevic is one of the 4 Sophomores at USC. Wasn't a ton of money though.
 
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jmilt7
KrushCow31 said:
This actually makes me feel a lot better. I had thought it was only OSU that got the subpoenas. That made me think OSU in particular had done something particularly bad. Thanks for clearing that up.

Also, I wonder who the USC players that were paid were. Once a Sophomore, one a Freshman. Nick Rakocevic is one of the 4 Sophomores at USC. Wasn't a ton of money though.
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Yeah, I was trying to find out if it was just OSU, albeit it was a lackluster effort, or if the others were also served. So why did it seem as if it was jut OSU? Local slant (or as close as it gets)?
 
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Illwinsagain
jmilt7 said:
Yeah, I was trying to find out if it was just OSU, albeit it was a lackluster effort, or if the others were also served. So why did it seem as if it was jut OSU? Local slant (or as close as it gets)?
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I believe it was from an Oklahoma paper. So, they went with the local angle.
 
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Least he didn't say he was surprised or shocked.

Jeff Borzello‏Verified account @jeffborzello 2m2 minutes ago
John Calipari said Kentucky has not been contacted regarding the federal investigation.

Jeff Borzello‏Verified account @jeffborzello 6m6 minutes ago
John Calipari was asked about Rick Pitino: "It's unfortunate, all the stuff that's come down. But let's talk about my team."

Jeff Borzello‏Verified account @jeffborzello 12m12 minutes ago
John Calipari on the FBI scandal: "What's out there right now is a black eye. [But] none of us know where this thing is going."
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello
 
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SescIllini
Andy Enfield is a self made multi-millionaire outside of BBall. I don't think he or any of the coaches, outside of Pitino knew or permitted bribe taking.
 
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gibb52
SescIllini said:
Andy Enfield is a self made multi-millionaire outside of BBall. I don't think he or any of the coaches, outside of Pitino knew or permitted bribe taking.
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I'm more in the camp that at least a couple dozen high major coaches were all in, as long as they couldn't be implicated.
 
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Epsilon
SescIllini said:
Andy Enfield is a self made multi-millionaire outside of BBall. I don't think he or any of the coaches, outside of Pitino knew or permitted bribe taking.
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It's certainly a lot harder to prove knowledge of it than it is to prove you actually helped move the money. Short of a wire tap or written memo (lol), not sure how you prove explicit knowledge of it.
 
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Obelix
SescIllini said:
Andy Enfield is a self made multi-millionaire outside of BBall. I don't think he or any of the coaches, outside of Pitino knew or permitted bribe taking.
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Of course they knew, they all knew, they are not idiots. Whether they can prove it though to indict them is a different story.
 
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FiveStar
Obelix said:
Of course they knew, they all knew, they are not idiots. Whether they can prove it though to indict them is a different story.
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I get why you think that, and it might be true. However, as others have pointed out, when you're running a shady operation, you want the least amount of people involved for risk if you're smart (BIG IF FOR THIS SITUATION, hence why your point is also plausible), and also to maximize personal gains. The less people at the table, the more pie to pass. The risk that is run by everyone involved if more people know becomes so much greater, that it's not worth it. If it were me, I would be taking steps to actively ensure others around me did not know. It's better business for everyone involved that way.
 
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Calvin
icengineer said:
Pitino? He isn't stupid, but I think his problem was pure arrogance. He's gotten away with so much crap over the years that I just think he felt he was above it all.
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Maybe, but I think it's like every other sport, and for that matter, society in general:

A few guys push the envelope
If nothing happens, it gets pushed farther and farther
If eventually someone gets a punishment that makes it worth following the rules again, and their is belief that you'll eventually get caught, people pull back

Pitino was doing something that a number of other programs were doing, and had been for decades. It hadn't been a problem, and it was practically a requirement to compete for top talent. And frankly, it was due to some stupid rules the NCAA was going to push for as long as they could get away with it.

The whole system's a mess, Pitino or no.
 
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kcib8130
Calvin said:
Maybe, but I think it's like every other sport, and for that matter, society in general:

A few guys push the envelope
If nothing happens, it gets pushed farther and farther
If eventually someone gets a punishment that makes it worth following the rules again, and their is belief that you'll eventually get caught, people pull back

Pitino was doing something that a number of other programs were doing, and had been for decades. It hadn't been a problem, and it was practically a requirement to compete for top talent. And frankly, it was due to some stupid rules the NCAA was going to push for as long as they could get away with it.

The whole system's a mess, Pitino or no.
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Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
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Epsilon
TEYPAY said:
So Underwood knew?
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I would guess that in general there are probably three levels of awareness. 1. Some may have had explicit knowledge and looked the other way. 2. Most if not all were probably at least aware it happened in the business. And 3. Some probably also assumed it happened at their institution but weren't going to look a gift horse in the mouth and ask about it.
 
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Obelix
FiveStar said:
I get why you think that, and it might be true. However, as others have pointed out, when you're running a shady operation, you want the least amount of people involved for risk if you're smart (BIG IF FOR THIS SITUATION, hence why your point is also plausible), and also to maximize personal gains. The less people at the table, the more pie to pass. The risk that is run by everyone involved if more people know becomes so much greater, that it's not worth it. If it were me, I would be taking steps to actively ensure others around me did not know. It's better business for everyone involved that way.
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This is not the case where shoe companies, recruits, and assistant coaches ran a scheme for years under the head coaches' nose. The fact that recruits have been funneled to schools is well known. Just that as long as they did not leave obvious trails, the NCAA was helpless and could not, would not want to find out. Irrespective of their desire, the NCAA also does not have the resources to uncover such a scheme.

This is not the token money either, the $2,000 to keep a recruit warm. The big benefit is that coaches, assistants, and schools were getting the players and were building winning programs. Their salaries and job are highly linked to recruits and winning programs, these things are not unrelated.

The key is whether they have enough hard proof to indict head coaches, that would be very difficult to do.

All coaches, including Pitino, have used so far the same dictated legal line: "I was extremely surprised..." Yet, none involved in college basketball has honestly been surprised, including spectators and fans. Was any of the events in the FBI documents really a big surprise? No. The actual big surprise though, and it was a BIG surprise, was that FBI got involved and their willingness to prosecute this case under the current charges, which at first glance, is not something that they would be willing to do (and NO, this is not about the IRS and tax evasion, the current charges are not about tax evasion).
 
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GoIllini23
Has the NCAA said anything about doing anything to these programs....or will there b insufficient evidence to act
 
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