Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (March 2018)

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Read the full post. The Patrick School kids are ahead of Finke when it comes to knowing Underwood's system.

I read it - just wanted to understand what the point is - are you implying they would start before MF next year? Or just that they know the offense better due to familiarity? And if so - do they run the number of sets and counters in High School that BU does at the college level?
 
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I thought we did not want any more "projects" (despite being recruited by Baylor, Xavier, Oklahoma State, etc.) but it seems we OK recruiting even lower ranked "projects" recruited by Illinois-Chicago, UMass and Rutgers.

The Illinois local analysts machine is fantastic!
 
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Welcome to the Illini Alan Griffin!

Go Illini
 
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Ubermensch

BOOM! Feed my ego.
AYO!

But there has to be a sports-culture change, especially the revenue-sports. I'm fine with golf, track, gymnastics, wrestling, baseballl, volleyball , etc . Illinois women's basketball stinks.

There's a problem in Champaign; and if more would fess up to it, the better off we'd be.

Illini fans have wasted too many years with two many athletic directors and two many football and basketball coaches.

Enough already.

P.S. Brad Underwood and Josh Whitman are exempt.

I literally have no idea what your point is.

Fans should lower expectations? If so, consider it done.

Now, how will that help get better players?
 
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I thought we did not want any more "projects" (despite being recruited by Baylor, Xavier, Oklahoma State, etc.) but it seems we OK recruiting even lower ranked "projects" recruited by Illinois-Chicago, UMass and Rutgers.

The Illinois local analysts machine is fantastic!


Underwood said from the very beginning that he's going to recruit based on the fit, not based on recruiting rankings.

I'm a big fan of top-100 talent. But ultimately, I'm a bigger fan of letting the professionals seek out kids that fit the skill sets they're looking for.

That was Bruce Weber's problem. Rather than recruit more kids like Jamar Smith, he put all his eggs into the 5* baskets and came up empty.

Imagine if he got kids like Dean Wade, Barry Brown, and Wesley Iwundu instead of kids like Mike Shaw and Richard Semrau.
 
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That sentiment is specifically for bigs and their offensive game. It didnt come from message board posters if thats what you mean.

My post was specific to bigs, and unless you consider posters "local analysts" I think you may have misread/misunderstood my post.
 
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Welcome Alan Griffin. Like the wide net. Hopefully another former Chicagoan, now east coast transplant sees it is cool to come back to UI. Come on back next year Mr. Whitney.
 
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Alan Griffith seems like a great kid. Seems to have a nice stroke and great motor. He seems to have a hitch in his step when dribbling, doesn't seem overly fluid or athletic.
I also think he might be closer to 6-3 than 6-5.

Trust BU, but I think Tev Jones is the long athlete we need. Fingers crossed. Also agree need two more big bodies with 1-2 being grad transfers.
 
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Reading the tea leaves of our recruiting (Underwood in to see Ramey tonight post-Griffin commitment, new offers out to 2018 big men), a guard transferring out has a whiff of inevitability - seems like staff wants to add another class of '18 guard/wing along with a class of '18 big man.

Not sure where that leaves Trice...
 
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I'm a big fan of top-100 talent. But ultimately, I'm a bigger fan of letting the professionals seek out kids that fit the skill sets they're looking for.

That has never been a problem, professionals have always sought out kids they like for their team/system, including the last 12+ years. The excuse that professionals (coaches) sought recruits that fans (or other people) liked is simply a pathetic excuse. The problem in the last 12+ years is that coaches were not able to land the talent needed to consistently compete in the B1G. I do not buy into the notion that we will somehow consistently outsmart and outsystem the rest of the B1G with lesser talent that fits our system.

As far as my post, a few missed, it was a reference to Flo Thamba and statements made by Werner/Piper (local analysts, not posters) that we removed ourselves from recruiting him because BU does not want any "prospect" bigs but wants more established and higher recruited bigs. I called BS on that statement, especially when schools like Baylor (committed), Oklahoma State. Xavier etc. were aggressively recruiting him. It was the typical local analysts spin machine.

I did not believe the statement, especially when it is very obvious that we need bigs/help having missed on many targets (... we are not talking 5* here) and BU knew/knows that, and this is why we have offered Samba Kane, a much lesser known/recruited big (competition is Ill-Chicago, UMass, Rutgers). The local analyst statement was hogwash, we DO need to take some chances on lesser recruits, not by design, but because we missed on many targets in the fall/winter and we desperately need help. Desperately.

That was Bruce Weber's problem. Rather than recruit more kids like Jamar Smith, he put all his eggs into the 5* baskets and came up empty.

Imagine if he got kids like Dean Wade, Barry Brown, and Wesley Iwundu instead of kids like Mike Shaw and Richard Semrau.

Bruce Weber is far from a success at KSU, actually pretty much all KSU fans will concede that. Five years at KSU has never really won an NCAA tournament game, his last five years are pretty much the same, if not worse, than his last 5 years at Illinois. A huge drop from his predecessor. Had he recruited Dean Wade, Barry Brown, and Weslely Iwundu at Illinois his career would be exactly the same as it was. The talent level at KSU is definitely not what is needed to consistently win in the B1G.
 
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That has never been a problem, professionals have always sought out kids they like for their team/system, including the last 12+ years. The excuse that professionals (coaches) sought recruits that fans (or other people) liked is simply a pathetic excuse. The problem in the last 12+ years is that coaches were not able to land the talent needed to consistently compete in the B1G. I do not buy into the notion that we will somehow consistently outsmart and outsystem the rest of the B1G with lesser talent that fits our system.

As far as my post, a few missed, it was a reference to Flo Thamba and statements made by Werner/Piper (local analysts, not posters) that we removed ourselves from recruiting him because BU does not want any "prospect" bigs but wants more established and higher recruited bigs. I called BS on that statement, especially when schools like Baylor (committed), Oklahoma State. Xavier etc. were aggressively recruiting him. It was the typical local analysts spin machine.

I did not believe the statement, especially when it is very obvious that we need bigs/help having missed on many targets (... we are not talking 5* here) and BU knew/knows that, and this is why we have offered Samba Kane, a much lesser known/recruited big (competition is Ill-Chicago, UMass, Rutgers). The local analyst statement was hogwash, we DO need to take some chances on lesser recruits, not by design, but because we missed on many targets in the fall/winter and we desperately need help. Desperately.



Bruce Weber is far from a success at KSU, actually pretty much all KSU fans will concede that. Five years at KSU has never really won an NCAA tournament game, his last five years are pretty much the same, if not worse, than his last 5 years at Illinois. A huge drop from his predecessor. Had he recruited Dean Wade, Barry Brown, and Weslely Iwundu at Illinois his career would be exactly the same as it was. The talent level at KSU is definitely not what is needed to consistently win in the B1G.

I agree with most of what you stated except the last. In order to be in the NCAA tournament you have to win games. They are winning games to make the tournament. I am in no way saying that they would be a top 4 big ten finisher were KSU in the big ten. The 12 is not a Div III conference either. I know we all pretty much hated Weber ball but he is more successful at KSU then he was here for whatever reason.

Im still very happy with BU. At this moment would not even consider another coach. Don't want anyone misinterpreting my statements about Bruce
 
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I agree with most of what you stated except the last. In order to be in the NCAA tournament you have to win games. They are winning games to make the tournament. I am in no way saying that they would be a top 4 big ten finisher were KSU in the big ten. The 12 is not a Div III conference either. I know we all pretty much hated Weber ball but he is more successful at KSU then he was here for whatever reason.

Im still very happy with BU. At this moment would not even consider another coach. Don't want anyone misinterpreting my statements about Bruce

Bruce Weber last 5 years at Illinois was 98-73 and 41-49 in conference, Bruce Weber at KSU has been 93-70 and 40-49 in conference. Very similar as far as winning games, actually slightly better at Illinois, but pretty much the same mediocre Bruce with a big drop in program status from his predecessors at UI and KSU.

Bruce Weber is Bruce Weber, mediocre at both places, far from a success at either place.
 
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Underwood said from the very beginning that he's going to recruit based on the fit, not based on recruiting rankings.

I'm a big fan of top-100 talent. But ultimately, I'm a bigger fan of letting the professionals seek out kids that fit the skill sets they're looking for.

That was Bruce Weber's problem. Rather than recruit more kids like Jamar Smith, he put all his eggs into the 5* baskets and came up empty.

Imagine if he got kids like Dean Wade, Barry Brown, and Wesley Iwundu instead of kids like Mike Shaw and Richard Semrau.

True, but it’s got to be on a sliding scale of some kind. Ranking, fit, and availability are all important factors. There are far fewer players available right now for 18 so the “fit” window has grown significantly. Also, the Jamar Smith issue was mostly off court problems, he ended up being fairly successful on the court.
 
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There are far fewer players available right now for 18 so the “fit” window has grown significantly.

That's right, when you finish the season and have huge, huge gaps, then you have to take chances, looking mainly for the diamonds in the rough, You have to.

That has been a staple of the Illinois program for quite a few consecutive years, desperately "needing" players to fill gaps in the spring, "hoping" for the surprise player. It is a clear indication that your recruiting has not been up to par. Late spring should be all about "opportunistic" additions rather than necessities.
 
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Isn’t it a bit early for plan C? Recruiting an unheralded guard to a roster that is loaded at guard and has huge needs elsewhere tells me that some of the current guards are leaving and also that, from a P5 perspective, we are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrell.
 
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Why did they include a missed dunk in his highlight video...?

Hell yeah. That had me *rollin*.

I could picture whoever edited these highlights stoned AF and bein like "yo, ***** ima make this mixtape mad different. Yeah. Pass that blunt".

I also liked the part where it said 'Alan was a major headache for opposing coaches' on the screen and then showed footage of these busted a$$ coaches lookin like they all just found out their wives were cheating on them with Alan and his brother.

This one of the funniest highlight videos I ever seen.
 
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Yes please on Samba Kane. Has the physical attributes of Jaren Jackson (but I'm assuming not the skills based on his offer list). Him and a year older big E could prevent that high fg% defense that killed us all year.
 
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